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A rebuild is not possible because it doesn't make sense from the point of view of ownsership and management to attempt one. No habs management will ever attempt one, because no ownsership will ever accept it, because nobody who is rich enough to buy the habs is stupid enough to make this kind of business mistake. And I blame the fans (or at least, the fans who demand for such a rebuild) for not understanding that, and for calling multiple management teams over more than a decade incompetent because they took into account something that you chose to ignore.
Yeah right... we'll go broke if we rebuild. Tell that to the Leafs who've missed the playoffs for a decade and light their cigars with hundred dollar bills.

And then you go and defend these guys...
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If you ask management to "to look at the long term" while ignoring the money portion of the equation, then yes, you have unrealistic expectations. Hockey is a business. If you have trouble with this fact then what the ***** do you expect me to say? It won't go away just because you feel like it.
That's right it's a business. You also make more money when you ice winning teams and have superstars on it. Fortunately for us we're the Montreal Canadiens though so we'll make money no matter what.

So why the hell not rebuild?
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For God sakes, just look at this season! Do you think the Molsons are happy about the results? About all the front pages they made for the wrong reasons? All the season ticket holders who are complaining? The sponsors who don't want to be associated with losers? Televised habs game being less popular? Do you see a lot of average fans being content over the thought of drafting high versus not making the playoffs? The Molsons know very well what happen when the team start to stagnate and miss the post-season a few time in a row. They don't want the franchise to look what it used to look circa 2000, when the Center Bell wasn't full every night, and team was the laughing stock of the city, and the franchise value less than half it is right now. They can't affort to ignore that.
Do you think they'll lose money this year? Or next if we tank again? No.

They'll make a ton of cash like they always do.
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First, the vast, vast majority of average fans don't care about prospects and drafts. They don't know who Yakupov or Grigorenko are, nor would they care if we draft them, until (and if) they become star players.

Second, the habs circa 2000 is evidence that fans don't think like that. Expectations were low, results were low, but it didn't stop fans from *****ing.

The Montreal forum on hfboards isn't representative at all of how the average fans in the street follow the team. Unfortunately, a lot of habs fans are band-waggoners, and won't watch the team if it's not doing well, period.
Yeah right... the fans don't know anything about prospects. C'mon dude...
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Ok listen.

You guys think habs management can affort a tank-and-rebuild strategy?
Without a doubt they can.
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You think it's just a matter of competence?
No, it's a matter of desire and competence.
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You don't want to understand how ownership doesn't see it that way?
I think we clearly understand that management only cares about 8th place. The difference between you and us though is that you're okay with this and will make excuses for it.
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Please, be my guess, continue to be disappointed. Continue to have unrealistic expectations. I couldn't care less. Have a nice day
It's not about expectations. Nobody expects management to come to their senses. There's been no indication that we care about anything but 8th place.

But that's not the fault of the fans. That's the fault of ownership. Your blame is misplaced.

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