time for Edmonton/Boston to pull the trigger?
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02-01-2006, 08:45 PM
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But you know what happens if they get claimed, right? The team calling them up gets stuck with paying half the contract - for the duration of the contract. I believe they also take the cap hit - for the duration of the contract.
So let's look at an aging star who's gonna be a free agent next year. How about Brendan Shanahan? Let's say he's gonna ask 2 years at $2.5 million per, and he's got offers from Minnesota, Nashville, and the New York Rangers.
The Rangers really want Shanahan, so they use some of their muscle and give him 3 years at $4 million per, thinking that if he slumps, they'll just bury him in the minors as per your philosophy.
And he does. Slow start. 1-3-4 over the first 15 games. So they send him down in November and he clears waivers (at $4 million per!) and sign the unsigned Peter Bondra instead.
Well, New York begins to suffer some other problems - injuries, slumps, you name it - and it's time to call Shanahan up. And Shanny's been tearing up the AHL. So re-entry waivers and now Minnesota and Nashville can get Brendan Shanahan for half price. For the duration of the contract.
New York is stuck with $2 million dollars of dead cap space on their books for the next three years.
so what's the alternative? Sign the guys *not* to play? Here Shanny, here's $3 million and just stay at home. We'll call you if we need you.
These teams *still* need to clear $3 million off their books at any time they want to call him up. Plus they're going to have to do so for a player who hasn't been playing? Plus these "star" players are still gonna go through waivers - they basically need to be a player that
nobody else wants
Plus these 'crafty' GMs still have to justify the expense to their bosses or their shareholders. Winning is nice, but that's millions of dollars of
that you're guessing might be spent on players
to not play
I mean, in the New NHL, rich teams *can* still better afford to make mistakes than poorer ones. But the trick now is that even with that in mind,
can afford to make mistakes. And the team that makes a big one is in big trouble.
im really thinking if this happens it wouldnt be a guy like shanahan involved and certainly there would be no 3 year contracts involved
now this year was a weird year... no one knew what was happening ahead of time... everyone has dreams and hopes and best thoughts
but say a couple years tick off... all these kids have become ufa at 26-27 years of age... poor teams have had their payrolls maxed out because they had to give rick nash and alexander ovechkin and jack johnson huge deals to keep them off the market...
now many teams look at an ufa from past years like a Bob Boughner or a Mike Keene type who has character and can play and has experience and they used to say we should give these guys 2 mill to come play for us...
now they start saying lets put a kid into the lineup for 500k instead
guys like Boughner or Bob Corkum or Tom Fitzgereld or whoever have the option to take minimum salary and join a bad team at the NHL level or maybe a rich team tells them we will give you that old 2 mill and want you on our farm team to support our playoff picture.
now... this would be a case by case basis where it would help and where it would hurt...
but rich teams could add 2-3-4 nice character guys to a farm team and not only give their own kids a great learning place to win an AHL championship and pick up good work habits from...
but with some choice quality vets down there, the rich team could try to call them up when needed.
we've seen time after time already this year that the 50% payoff still doesnt get guys claimed off waivers if they are making anything over a million dollars.
I think Todd Marchant is the only guy making over a million dollars that was claimed all year.
If a team has signed say a Alexei Zhamnov... and tried to win with him... then he is so aweful... they waive him and get him off the books... they call up someone like a Shawn McEachern type who they signed for that 2 mill or whatever...
hopefully there future McEachern type is better than this years real life version of the guy... just trying to mention the types of guys that might be involved in my idea...
the team takes no cap hit dumping Zhamnov... they start saving cap hit on McEachern's difference... then come trade deadline they have saved enough cap room to add someone better when other teams make their own dumps.
ultimately its only money and if rich teams are willing to spend 60 million to be sure they have 3-4 good options on the farm to call up, it can be done.
poor teams are going to be scared to sign guys over 35 to longer term deals since the retirement factor is so brutal now.
a rich team can give the guy a couple years and then just waive the guy to the minors in second third years if he does try to retire on them...
yet more example where rich teams can easily bury payroll in the minors.
say you want a guy like Mario Lemieux to take one last run for your team... tell him you will give him 2 mill a year for 4 years
cap hit is only 2 mill
he only plays 1 year... you bring him to opening night next year then waive him... and when he goes down you tell him you will give him a leave of absence
third year he makes the team out of camp and you waive him again... give him his leave of absence
fourth year too...
is there a rule that a minor leager has to actually play games to be on the team down there?
i dont think so...
a team can take 5-6 guys that are ready to retire after this season but want one last cup... give them all multi year deals and effectively they retire after the season, but they actually all officially remain active and just get waived to the minors every season.
its only money if a rich team wants to do crap things like this...
and it might not be as blatent as i decribe it here, but there will be abuses of the system im sure. there alwas is.
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