What snipers should we seek BESIDES Parise?
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03-23-2012, 11:03 AM
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There is nothing romantic about it.
If we approx = Pens in firepower and are >>> otherwise, we will win. If not, it is a long, outside chance. The premise Hank can pitch a shutout or thereabouts every single game --- THAT is fantasy --- how romantic ... well, eye of the beholder, etc...
Henke does not need to pitch a shutout for the Rangers to win. They can win with tight defense and solid goaltending. See Devils circa 90's on how that works.
One more player, is not going to get us to approximate teh Pens in fire power. Not even close. There is no such one player in the league that you can add now and would suddenly put us on equal footing with them, for offense.
And I'd like at least one, and that one preferably be at least a Hall, Parise, etc. guy who will get us about 30 or more, another Gaborik, preferably a LW.
I made this thread with clearly, overture that if we traded for one more sniper (or additional) we could possibly be that much more appealing to Parise, Suter, etc who would only cost $$.
Those cost money and this team will not be able to resign the necessary players in two years.
Not factually true, based on the reality that given enough time guys like Malkin, Ovechkin, etc., eventually break through. It may take as little as 10 shots or three times that; and those guys are what I call uber-elite, so a merely elite or excellent sniper may need more shots/opportunities. And that is not counting that other guys will also eventually break through, law of averages.
These guys do not always break through. Plenty of players have been rendered a non factor on a playoff scoring sheet for entire series.
We cannot win games without scoring.
We need to move the right 1 or 2 players + assets for a top sniper.
This thread is to debate which sniper and at what cost.
No, eventually a puck has to go in. But a team need not be an elite offense to win. That is sheer nonsense. One more sniper will not equate this team to teh Pens and your cost will decrease what they are good in. So all in all, the team will get worse in all areas.
I stand by one what I said: "Yes, you trade that promising player IF there is enough reasonable basis to expect a profitable reward; no risk, no reward, and reward is necessary for progress and not being stagnant."
Not sure how much clearer I can be as to reasonable, other than the price paid, while high and painful, is still worth doing the deal because of the return.
You have yet to tell me what thsi reasonable basis is. Other than being a man amongst boys.
Feel free to elaborate 'Kvasha'
Want to make it Olsez instead? Or Brian Lawton? Or Daigle?
trading one of Girardi or Staal and one of Stepan or MDZ is not gutting the team.
Trading one or two your top 3 defenseman is dismantling the defense. Sub in your very promising 2nd line center and you are now weak up the middle. All for someone who has not proven a blessed thing.
As to unproven, that would vary on the target.
The top pick Yakupov seems can't miss, and my favorite target, Hall, also a former top overall pick, has a good enough track record, IMO, to warrant that payment.
SEEMS can't miss. There have been many prospects that SEEMED like they are "can't miss". And then they turned out to be busts. Giving up 2 of your top 3 defensemen for Hall is ludicrous.
I expect if you push the issue, it will be demonstrated that, while subjective, there is enough basis to conclude that G and D alone cannot prevail continuosly vs Pens,
There is no basis to say that excellent goaltending and defense cannot beat a mighty offense.
We do not to make improvements,
EVEN if that does get to a point of reinventing the wheel, because
what we have clearly is good, and clearly works,
but also even more clearly is certain to have problems, possibly insurmountable problems, against enough firepower.
There is no such thing as insurmountable firepower. If there was, teh team with the big offense would always be champions.
Make a judicious trade even if one high quality piece (Stepan/MDZ) and one valued piece (Girardi) needs be surrendered.
Find that sniper.
You do not need to give up those players to be successful.
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