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Lidstrom and Pronger - playoffs

Year Player GP ESGA MinP Player GP ESGA MinP
1998 Chris Pronger 10 8 13 Nicklas Lidstrom 22 14 4
1999 Chris Pronger 13 11 14 Nicklas Lidstrom 10 6 2
2000 Chris Pronger 7 6 11 Nicklas Lidstrom 9 9 2
2001 Chris Pronger 15 6 16 Nicklas Lidstrom 6 4 0
2002 Chris Pronger 9 3 7 Nicklas Lidstrom 23 15 1
2003 Chris Pronger 7 4 7 Nicklas Lidstrom 4 3 0
2004 Chris Pronger 5 1 8 Nicklas Lidstrom 12 6 2
2006 Chris Pronger 24 16 13 Nicklas Lidstrom 6 6 1
2007 Chris Pronger 19 8 13 Nicklas Lidstrom 18 9 3
2008 Chris Pronger 6 2 6 Nicklas Lidstrom 22 10 7
2009 Chris Pronger 13 8 6 Nicklas Lidstrom 21 10 3
2010 Chris Pronger 23 21 12 Nicklas Lidstrom 12 10 1
Total Chris Pronger 151 93 126 Nicklas Lidstrom 165 102 26
Per-playoff Chris Pronger 12.6 7.7 10.5 Nicklas Lidstrom 13.8 8.5 2.2
Per-82 Chris Pronger 82 50 68 Nicklas Lidstrom 82 51 13

In the playoffs, Pronger has taken even more penalties, and Lidstrom has taken fewer. There's an absolutely massive gap between them in the rate that they take minor penalties. (I would really like to see the coincidental penalties separated out, but don't feel like doing the work now.)

In the HOH top defencemen project, I posted the on-ice and off-ice ES goal ratio for several players in the playoffs, including Lidstrom and Pronger. Here are those numbers for the 1998-2010 playoffs.

Lidstrom - 1.28 R-ON, 1.32 R-OFF
Pronger - 1.50 R-ON, 0.87 R-OFF

It appears that Pronger has had a much larger impact on the ice at even strength...but the fact that Pronger will take 4-5 additional minor penalties in a 7 game series has to be weighted against that. Hard to quantify it exactly, as the on/off numbers have a lot of other influences and we don't have the coincidental penalties separated out.

Basically Pronger became more like Pronger in the playoffs.
How are Pronger's numbers affected by his time in Anaheim, when Niederarmayer on the other pairing was basically getting the shut down roles at even strength?

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