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04-20-2012, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mrhockey193195 View Post
if you honestly believe that a player cannot improve or become more consistent after the age of 26, then I don't know what to tell you.

Because aside from this season, he has improved his offensive and defensive game every single season he's been in the NHL. He's had ONE off year. There are only a handful of NHL players in history who have not had off years, and their names are Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux, Howe, Bossy, etc.

I've thrown this around before, and I'll do it again just because I think it makes a good point:

20 3 2 1 3
21 31 4 8 12
22 48 11 9 20
23 15 0 7 7
24 54 14 21 35
25 67 21 30 51
26 41 6 5 11

Seeing those stats, I can just imagine some of you guys screaming "That player should be traded", and "he's too inconsistent: he dropped from 51 points to 11, he is what he is, and he regressed badly this past year, he'll never amount to anything more." Funny thing is, those are the stats of Jean Ratelle.

Dubinsky is not half the player that Ratelle is, nor do I think he ever will be, but there are countless players who turned it on in their mid-to-late twenties after inconsistent starts to their careers where you always thought they could give more (if you really want me to start a list of players, I'll do it). The point I'm making is that it's ridiculous to write off Dubinsky because of one bad year at the age of 25, after several seasons of inconsistent but promising player. Also, some of you guys would've been calling for Ratelle to be traded after the 1966-67 season, which I think is hysterical.
I agree that players have down years and shouldn't be traded because of one down year, especially, early in their career. However, there's a difference between a slow start to a career because of injuries and a healthy player who's turning south. I also don't recall Jean Ratelle potentially hurting his relationship with organization management by holding out during contract negotiations, nor did Ratelle play when there was a salary cap. Data without context can be deceiving.

You can also tell when a skilled player is putting his game together or when you have a player who has gotten, pretty much as good as he can get. One you have a lot more patience with and you've already agreed that Dubinsky doesn't have the same ceiling as Ratelle.

22 68 30 17 47
23 79 22 18 40
24 47 6 13 19
25 79 13 9 22
26 11 0 1 1
And that's not Dubinsky either, It's Petr Prucha. Is Dubinsky's offensive upside more like Ratelle or more like Prucha? Because if he's going the way of Prucha (DOWN), then we best move him while he has some kind of value. Both Dubinsky and Prucha had the Jagr effect in common.

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