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04-25-2012, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by EbencoyE View Post
Likewise, the Korean national team continues to be more and more competitive and by 2018 I would not be surprised at all if Japan and Korea were of equal strengths - perhaps Korea will even be stronger! It is impossible to know.
Sure, they might grow and become better, but they're not, which is why we're talking about the current situation.

To quote you:

"I wouldn't say they are much worse than either of those teams."

Note the "are". Can't see a "will" anywhere.

Records are evidence of how they played in the PAST. We're talking about the present and future here.
Nope. We don't have a portal to 2018, so the only actual evidence that we can analyze lies in the past.

The Korean national team was barely staying in Div II less than a decade ago, comparable to the likes of China and North Korea. Now we are comparing them to Japan and Italy - what more proof exactly do you want?
The thing is that we're not comparing them to Japan and Italy. You brought up this ridiculous comparison. Comparing Korea to Italy or Japan is like comparing Canada with Latvia. The difference is very significant, Korea is a level below them and two or three levels below the top teams.

Also, taking one game and saying they are always getting blown out is ridiculous. NHL teams get blown out all the time, yet they come right back and win the next time the same teams meet. Teams can have off days. One game is not a good enough example size to determine that Italy is so much superior to South Korea.
One game? Look at this then:'s_national_ice_hockey_team#All-time_Record_against_other_nations

In the previous Junior WCH the Korean U-20 team lost to countries like Spain, Lithuania and the Netherlands. A year before that they got a blowout loss against Poland and barely beat Australia and Romania. A year before that they had a blowout loss against Great Britain and Hungary and another loss against Spain. That's the future of the Korean hockey. Consistently bad.

If most teams don't have a realistic shot, maybe it should only be a 6 team tournament then.
Why? It makes the tournament more interesting and there's always a chance for an upset that might hinder the chances of the top 5 teams. Remember Belarus '02?

With South Korea the only chance they have is scoring a goal. Maybe. That would be the upset.

The hosts are given automatic entry as a way to promote the game locally through the massive media exposure of the Olympics and provide a connection to the host nation. Asia is a very valuable market with great hockey potential for the IIHF - they would be foolish not to allow Korea to participate.
Does a 0-30 loss promote the sport? Who in their right minds would watch a slaughter like that? If I was Korean, it would be absolutely embarassing and shameful.

I thought the same about Italy before 2006, yet they surprisingly had decent results.
They weren't surprising to anyone who's been following hockey for a long enough time.

And why not? Japan and Korea are now both Div IA nations. Italy might be too after the WC. Your argument is ridiculous.
Canada and Latvia are both in the Elite division. So they're of similar skill, by your logic. Your comparison is ridiculous.

They can't just grab a bunch of random Canadians, they have to have Korean citizenship, and at least 2 years of play in Korea.

There is nothing about "descent" in the rules.
No kidding.

I was about to make a comment about autism, but seeing that the both of you didn't get my point I'll rephrase myself - it makes sense for foreign players of Korean descent to play in the Korean national team. It doesn't make sense for a random Canadian player to play a couple of years in the Asian league just for the chance to play on the Olympic ice. It has nothing to do with the rules.

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