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04-29-2012, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by lolwut View Post
They are close but I find Hulls 2 extra scoring titles and clear goal scoring advantage to much to overcome. Hull set new bench marks for goal scoring.

Hull
Art Ross- 3
Top 5 in points -8
Top 10 in points-11
Goal scoring title- 7
Top five in goals- 12
Hart -1
Conn Smythe- ? Didn’t exist in 1961

Beliveau
Art Ross- 1
Top 5 in points -8
Top 10 in points-12
Goal scoring title- 2
Top five in goals- 7
Hart -2
Conn Smythe-1
It's unfortunate that we don't have the data necessary to calculate adjusted plus-minus for these players. It would help in determining if (and how much) Beliveau sacrificed offense for defense, and vice versa for Hull. Both would have difficult comparisons, Beliveau playing for dynasties for most of his career and Hull having Mikita on another line.

I think the individual data clearly gives Hull an edge, but it's tough to overlook Beliveau's versatility and central role on two dynasties. Both playing after expansion (and Hull in the WHA) muddles much of the comparison a bit.

There also may be no "one right answer." It could be the case that for great teams, the more valuable player may have tended to be Beliveau, while for good/mediocre/poor teams, the more valuable player may have tended to be Hull. Would that make Believau the better player, because he would be more valuable to the best team, or would that make Hull the more valuable player, because he would be more valuable to more teams?

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