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05-15-2012, 06:54 PM
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You are talking like they would be moving to East Hampton. Dropping an arena say in Heartland makes no difference than having it in Hempstead. The people that will go will drive there like they always do and that would be the end of it.
If anything, an arena that's located near 4 major roadways (495, Sagtikos, Sunken Meadow Pkwy, Northern State Pkwy) would be a lot easier to get to than the Hempstead Turnpike/Meadowbrook Pkwy mess. Add in the fact that the Heartland Property is located adjacent to the Deer Park LIRR station (completely leaving out the spur that's next to the driving range) and it makes a lot more sense from a traffic pattern POV.
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This thread really is hysterical. I thought City people were uppity but wow they have nothing on Nassau folk who thing they are better than Suffolk. This state in itself is truly comical.
It's the old adage that you can't please all of the people all of the time. Someone is BOUND to be pissed off once an announcement is made, no matter what that announcement might be. They stay where they are, they go to Brooklyn, Queens, Suffolk, wherever, there's bound to be someone who's not happy about it.
I've actually analyzed this over and over again, and I cannot help but wonder something. If Brooklyn won't work because the facility isn't there to play in and the NIMBYs won't allow the retrofit, Queens won't get done because of the Willets Point problem, Nassau has cast their vote and said it's not happening, and Suffolk is "franchise suicide", exactly where in the hell is the team supposed to go?
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Professional sports organizations (with the possible exception of the NFL which makes gobs of money on their national TV deals) generally need to be as close to the population/media/business centers as possible. An arena in Suffolk may be full every night, but those luxury suites aren't going to generate a ton of income and your corporate base (from both a ticket and media sponsorship perspective) is going to be minor league compared to most other organizations.
Naming rights are another area that would be impeded by an arena out there. They may get something, but it's going to be peanuts compared to what they'd get closer to the population center.
The easiest solution to that would be to build a smaller arena IMO. I look at the teams in the small markets, which for all intents and purposes the Islanders qualify as because of their removed status from the major metro area. They really shouldn't be; Long Island has 7 million people on it, yet flies aren't drawn to events because it's not New York City. So why is it necessary to have an arena that's as large a monstrosity at the Rock in Newark?
If an arena was planned that was roughly the same size (maybe even smaller but big enough to satisfy the league) as NVMC, a base of skybox revenue was drawn from industry on an island-wide basis, and it was owned outright instead of leased from the county, why wouldn't it work? To be fair, even teams that have their arenas in the heart of downtown have trouble drawing much of anyone if they're bloody awful. Just ask Buffalo fans about the pre-Pegula days. If you invest in the team, the fans will come, the revenues go up, and it becomes marketable.
But we've all guessed long ago this has nothing to do with the team and everything to do with the real-estate aspect. That's why Suffolk is a real possibility IMO. You have a lot of land that has already been zoned commercially, so there's no roadblocks to building much of anything there (especially on land that NYS is trying to unload). There's a legislature in place that actually has a budget to work with and can vote on things, an industrial base screaming for new jobs and revenue streams to invest in. While he may not be at the helm anymore, CA's headquarters is down the road from there. And unlike NVMC, it's not the only game in town. Pick a direction and there's already other attractions in place, some within walking distance.
The fact of the matter is as long as the Rangers exist there will never be equal marketshare in NYC for hockey, and while it may go up if they go to Brooklyn, the opportunity cost just got a lot higher with a move into the House that Jay-Z Built. If however they went after Long Island (and coastal CT) full force, the sum of the parts might actually be worth just as much as a whole.
Then again, spending 1/2 my life in Suffolk County makes me biased against anything else, so what do I know...
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