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06-04-2012, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by habsfanatics View Post
I like to see this data, because frankly, I don't believe you.
All right, first before I present the data, a bit of an explanation. These stats reflect the percentage of 5-on-5 goals, shots, and missed shots for versus against when the score is close (defined as tied, or within one goal in the first or second period). This is a narrow category, but it's highly correlated to scoring chances and avoids score effects due to teams changing the way they play when up or down big, or when they're up or down late.

What we have here is a good measure of the exchange of scoring chances,

These are, as always, from the invaluable behindthenet.ca site: http://behindthenet.ca/fenwick_2011....6&section=tied -- which helpfully provides more data (such as score-tied only data, home and road splits, and the like) if there's interest. This data is obtained straight from NHL official scoresheets.

Some stats then:
Therrien:
PIT 2007-2008: 46.51% (4th worst in the league)
On the subject of Therrien vs. Bylsma this is also very good reading, presenting splits between the two in 08-09: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/20...ichel-therrien

Crawford
LAK 2007-2008: 45.10% (2nd-worst in league)
DAL 2009-2010: 48.41% (10th-worst in league)
DAL 2010-2011: 47.66% (8th-worst in league)

For comparison:
Carbonneau:
MTL 2007-2008: 47.11% (5th-worst in the league)
MTL 2008-2009: 46.91% (8th-worst in the league)

Martin
MTL 2009-2010: 46.07% (2nd-worst in the league, and the cause of much complaining by me)
MTL 2010-2011: 51.60% (11th-best in the league, and a huge turnaround that went largely unnoticed)

Cunneyworth
MTL 2011-2012: 46.81% (4th-worst in league, despite being strong early)

Obviously these have to be considered in light of the talent available to each coach, but that'd only make Therrien look worse.

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Originally Posted by habsfanatics View Post
Therrien's message to the pens was being ignored and their effort on the ice deteriorated.
The 2007-2008 Penguins were essentially the 2007-2008 Habs with more talent. Habitually outplayed 5-on-5, great goaltending, some shooting luck, lots of PP scoring.

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As far as Crawford goes both LA and Dallas improved under Crawford. We could do much worse.
Crawford's LA and Dallas clubs were both bottom-tier clubs that were habitually outplayed.

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I don't find Carbonneau horrible either. I would take all 3 over Cunneyworth/Hunter.
Again, his Habs team relied on goaltending and unsustainable PP prowess to snow over a terrible 5-on-5 game.

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