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06-06-2012, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Eskimo44 View Post
You want to know what isn't apt. Comparing a legitimate star player (who btw just had a terrific WC while being healthy all year) to a player who never really established himself in the NHL. Zoidberg talks of Fehr having his career derailed but when was it ever on the rails? He had one decent year (39pts), but that was on a team that scored 313 ****ing goals, and that placed him 9th on the team in scoring.
Fehr was also once a 1st round pick in the famous 2003 draft. He had immense potential, but the shoulder injuries started before his career could really get going.

Originally Posted by Eskimo44 View Post
Also just because one player has had trouble recovering from an injury doesn't mean that another player will suffer the same fate. Hemsky didn't reinjure his shoulder this year, and hasn't reinjured his other shoulder in the two years since. Correlation does not equal causation, which is to say nobody can say why Fehr has failed and nobody can guareentee how Hemsky's shoulder will hold up.
My point is more than "they each had shoulder problems." They had the same tear, they each had multiple injuries requiring multiple surgeries. The only difference is how early in their careers their injuries started.

Originally Posted by Eskimo44 View Post
BTW i played QB in football and i played hockey and i can tell you that a QB puts a lot more strain on his shoulder than a hockey player. Sure the shoulder is used differently but Brees had a more severe injury, and should still be prone to shoulder faliure no different than Fehr if it really is supposedly damaged for life. I can't tell you how sore my healthy shoulder would get after throwing footballs for an hour or two. The Brees example also brings up another interesting point, do you know why people thought he might never be the same? Because his type of injury has ended careers, thats why. What that means is, like i said earlier, no two players are sure to suffer the same fate even if the injury is the same. Just because one person had trouble recovering doesn't mean the same will be true for another.
There's a difference between the type of labrum tear that results from a repetitive throwing motion - what Brees had - and the tear that comes from a dislocation of the shoulder, like the injuries Hemsky and Fehr sustained by being checked into the boards. The former is known as a SLAP tear, while the latter is a Bankart tear. A surgical repair of a SLAP tear means a 3-4 month recovery period, while a surgical repair on a Bankart tear is a minimum of a 6 month recovery. A Bankart tear also comes with a significant chance of re-injury: "Statistically, the chances of redislocating the shoulder are greater than 80% in patients younger than 30 years of age." This is why I say that these sort of tears never leave you. For a hockey player playing a physical game where you're constantly hitting or being hit, having this added risk makes you a ticking time bomb.

Originally Posted by Eskimo44 View Post
Comparing football players to hockey players in terms of recovery is no less apt than comparing Eric Fehr to Ales Hemsky. Both need to be taken with a grain of salt, as there is relevance but neither is anything close to a definitive point. I know the average HFer figures they know more than NHL teams, but Hemsky was resigned at 5 mill because there were obviously doctors (i.e. experts) who were willing to vouch that his shoulders should hold up. NHL teams don't just throw millions of dollars away on a whim, there is obviously some evidence that suggests Hemsky should be able to make a full/near full recovery.
Feel free to trust the doctors. Caps fans sure did when they told us that Fehr's shoulders would be better than ever post surgery, and when our GM said a lot of the same things. We know how that turned out.

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