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06-21-2012, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by VanSciver View Post
I thought you didn't value +/-? Carle was second on the Flyers defenseman in points scored. And he was ranked 20th in the NHL among all defenseman in points scored. That's 20th out of 180 regular defenseman in the NHL. But by all means, MAB, Kubina, Coburn, , Mez, and Gus, were all better offensively then Carle was.
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Originally Posted by Fish Invictus View Post
+/- is a terrible comparison tool across teams. Within a team, it can be effective. The fact that you based this opinion largely on assists (boosted thanks to the offense and it's dominance for half the season) and +/- sinks your theory immediately. If he was so elite, why wasn't he in the Norris discussion?
It can be useful when looking at players on the same team and when taken with a grain of salt; hence why I provided other stats as well. Comparison across teams, not so much. Carle's +/- on the team isn't all that impressive, by the way. Just like his GFON/60 and GOFF/60 stats.

Do you deny that the stats I provided show that the Flyers scored more when Carle wasn't on the ice? If so, I should just stop wasting my time immediately.

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