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06-26-2012, 08:25 PM
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nik jr
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Originally Posted by sarcastro View Post
This is pretty much exactly what I was going to say. It's a total joke that Shanny wouldn't be a first-ballot guy.

Oates was not a great player. He was a very good player who played a really long time.
that description of oates is more suitable for shanahan. shanahan played longer than oates but has less points. his hart voting record is much weaker than oates. for most of shanahan's prime, he was not considered better than paul kariya or john leclair. LW is also the weakest position.


if oates was not a great player, how was shanahan great?

oates was the 2nd highest scoring player (after gretzky) from '90-'99 (shanahan was 18th) and 2nd highest scorer (after jagr) from '91-'00 (shanahan was 19th).


oates was one of the best playmakers in history. 12 times in top 10 in assists, 2 seasons of 90a, top 10 in points 7 times (two times for shanahan). 3 time leader in assists (many other great players led NHL in assists 3 times, but only gretzky and orr did so more than 3 times.)

142p playing with joe juneau and dmitri kvartalnov in '93 (outscoring prime yzerman). easily better than any season shanahan had.

brett hull (3 70g+ seasons, 86g in '91) and cam neely (50g in 44 games) had monster seasons playing with oates. joe juneau scored 102p as a rookie with oates. juneau's career high separate from oates was 64p.

oates also has more points in both the regular season and playoffs than shanahan despite playing less games.


shanahan had better intangibles, as he was a legitimate power forward and oates clashed with his teams and moved from team to team, and was overrated defensively, but oates was still a better player.

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