PK Subban being shopped ?
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07-22-2012, 11:20 AM
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Atlantic Canada
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Would you accept Franzen and a pick for Chara? If not, then you should be able to understand why the Habs say "no" as well. I guess you never did that little homework assignment I gave you. If you look at Chara's first two full seasons in the NHL (let's say 2000-2001, 2001-2002, even though those were his 4th and 5th years in the NHL, we can ignore that for now. Keep in mind, those were the 2 first years Chara played a full season, the others were much shorter so I felt they were unfair comparables for Chara) you get an interesting idea as to why Habs fans are so high on Subban.
82 games, 2 goals, 7 assists, -27, 157 penalty minutes, 22 minutes TOI per game for the Islanders. Let's call this Chara's first season.
Subban's 1st full season:
77 games, 14 goals, 24 assists, -8, 124 penalty minutes, 22 minutes TOI per game.
75 games, 10 goals, 13 assists, +30, 156 penalty minutes, 22 minutes TOI per game.
Subban's second full season:
81 games, 7 goals, 29 assists, +9, 119 penalty minutes, 24 minutes of TOI per game.
If Subban continues to progress, it is quite likely he will equal or surpass Chara as a defender in the NHL. That is why Franzen and a pick, or Caron and a 2nd are laughable offers. Subban is doing in his first 2 seasons in the NHL what it took Chara 5 years to achieve, and Subban has not had the benefit of a Wade Redden as a defence partner nor is Subban on as offensively gifted a team as Chara was on in Ottawa when he finally started to produce offensively.
let's have more fun. Compare Subban to Duncan Keith's first two seasons:
2005-2006 Keith (year 1):
81 games, 9 goals, 12 assists, -11, 79 penalty minutes, 23 minutes of TOI per game, 88 hits 119 blocked shots, -27 giveaway to takeaway ratio.
Subban year 1:
77 games, 14 goals, 24 assists, -8, 124 penalty minutes, 22 minutes TOI per game, 110 hits, 106 blocked shots, -19 giveaway to takeaway ratio.
2006-2007 Keith (year 2):
82 games, 2 goals, 29 assists, 0, 76 penalty minutes, 23 minutes of TOI per game, 78 hits, 148 blocked shots, -19 giveaway to takeaway ratio.
Subban year 2:
81 games, 7 goals, 29 assists, +9, 119 penalty minutes, 24 minutes of TOI per game, 105 hits, 113 blocked shots, -62 giveaway to takeaway ratio.
Again, Subban is very comparable to Keith, don't you think? So, please, when you make an offer for Subban, try and understand where he stands in relation to the elite defencemen in the league at the same time in their development and understand why we equate Subban with those players. Go do the same comparison with Tyler Myers, Brent Seabrook, Chris Pronger, Ryan Suter, Alexander Edler, Dan Boyle, and many other elite defencemen in the NHL...Subban is equal to, or better than, all of them when you compare their first 2 full seasons to Subban's. You can say Chara, Pronger, etc are better than Subban NOW, but try comparing apples to apples, not apples to apple trees. Subban has proven to be far better than anyone could have imagined, and is still improving.
So, I hope you can understand why the Habs do not accept the low ball offers you put forward for Subban.
Comparing Subban to Chara
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