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07-22-2012, 07:39 PM
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While Poile may or may not have constraints given to him, if he did, he should've known he didn't have the bucks to sign Suter or Weber and gotten fair market value for them. While people say you can't trade guys in the midst of a chance at the Cup, you can't lose two elite defensemen in the course of three weeks either, not for a piddly 4 1st round picks. He has to have enough foresight to go, hey, Suter hasn't re-signed, we may need to get something for him. Hey, Weber isn't signing long term either, hmmm, something just might be up here.
Basically Suter and Weber were each waiting for the other to sign here in Nashville. From my understanding, Poile never sat down with both Suter and Weber and said, guys, we want to build the franchise around you both, sign long term, we'll give you the long term money you want and this way, we can build a team around you. Instead, he talked to both separately and because of the lack of communication, has lost Suter and is in a no win situation with Weber.
I understand your points about constraints with ownership and the buck may stop with them but he can't know about the constraints and not doing anything about the situation with his two best players. Holland always gets credit for guys to buy into Detroit, their system, the franchise, the team and gets guys below market value to build a team around the key pieces. Poile and ownership were willing to pay market price and these guys still signed elsewhere. Something is not adding up to me from what is being presented thru the media and the boards.
The owners may have been willing to pay market price, on average. Change the bonus structure of the contracts this year to anything similar to early contracts and instead of $40million in bonus money to Suter and Parise over the next year, we're then looking at around $30mil total in payments ... much more manageable for the Preds than what we've seen this year. Hell, Brad Richards only got $18mil in the first two years of his bonus structure last season ... not the $26mil we're looking at for Weber if we match. A Richards-type structure is less up front cash at signing, less cash due next July 1st, and more regular salary that is insurable to mitigate risk.
You keep bringing up the Suter allegedly agreeing to years and dollars back in November rumor. The one thing we never hear is years, dollars, and structure. The two deals we've lost out on this summer both involved owners getting personally involved and opening up the checkbooks for huge short term payments. Structure is beating us out over total money across the term.
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