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Originally Posted by WhiskeySeven
Firstly, you're wrong about everything you say - ever. You've proved it with your posts and non-arguments earlier in the thread.
Secondly, I didn't say you can't worship or idolize him - I don't care who you cheer for or how - I stated my opinion and that's it. If a player is going to be referred to as a god he better have done something ON THE ICE. And Koivu for all his merits and legitimacy hasn't accomplished anything ELITE on the ice. How is this a difficult argument to handle?
He's overrated if you and you cronies are going to call him a god. He's an idol and a hero for tons of kids (me too!) but he's not a great player. Never was, never will be. We're the Montreal Canadiens, if Koivu is god what are Dryden, Vezina, Morenz, Richard, Richard, Lafleur, Geoffrion, Robinson, Gainey and Beliveau (not to mention the tens of other elite players we've produced)?
Hockey is played on the ice and Koviu didn't accomplish anything on it. No individual accolades, no team championships - nothing. I'm not blaming him for anything at all, I'm just saying that he's not a god. You can't be a god if you haven't won anything - ever!!!!!!
Koivu isn't even in the same league as the players listed above but our generation is just so narcissistic and self-involved that the players they see growing up are the "best ever of all time and how dare you suggest otherwise". It's tasteless and unbecoming of otherwise decent people. Get some perspective for god's sake.
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Seriously, you are arguing that Koivu is not God? Is that why you call Koivu "overrated"? Really? You thought that "Le Tricolore" is really comparing Koivu to god?
.. Price was called Jesus Price not long ago.. and people were bowing Halak like a god.. Did you get upset too??
Winning the cup is not the only accomplishment in hockey. What about carrying the Olympics torch? What about winning the first IIFH World Championship for Finland? What about 4 Olympics medals? What about being the first European Captain ... and also being the longest-serving captain for the most prestigious hockey team in the world? Is that what you call "hasn't accomplished anything"?
Laugh at my argument all you want so you can feel superior but I'm not the one bringing the number of children a guy has to defend him or compared Koivu with legends which none of us did, except you. If you need to put words like "Saku is the best ever of all time" in our mouths then have fun, it does make us look stupid and you smart.
Anyway, there's a reason why Koivu was our captain, there's a reason why Koivu is the captain of team Finland (over future HOF Selanne), there's a reason why he's an assistant captain for the Ducks, there's a reason why he will be carrying to Olympics torch. Maybe not for you, but when Koivu will retire, he will remember as a warrior, a professional, a leader and a rolemodel. If he wins the cup before his retirement, it would just a big bonus but for me, I can already tell that he had a great and successful career.