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07-25-2012, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthernHab View Post
And wanting to dump veterans (To Tank ) in the hope of getting a top draft pick is what kind of strategy?
The draft is linear. The higher you pick the better your odds. If you have three top five picks, you'd be pretty unlucky not to get at least one superstar and you're probably going to get at least two decent players to go along with it. Moreover, we have the best scouting in the league so those odds would go up for us...

No top five picks in a quarter century... not a surprise we're always screaming for superstars.
Originally Posted by WeeBey View Post
See if any of these names get you to realize something else...

Sidney Crosby
Jonathan Toews
Alexander Ovechkin
Evgeni Malkin
Vincent Lecavalier
Dany Heatley
Daniel Sedin
Henrik Sedin
Joe Thornton
Patrick Marleau
John Tavares
Eric Staal
Tyler Seguin
Drew Doughty
Bobby Ryan
Chris Pronger
Paul Kariya
Taylor Hall
Matt Duchene
Viktor Hedman
Jason Spezza
Ilya Kovalchuk
Marian Gaborik
etc. etc.

It's a fact that if you draft higher, you're significantly more likely to get a quality player. Especially now, as scouting becomes more sophisticated, your chances of drafting a bust that early are significantly lower than they were 10 years ago. Look at every draft from 2000-2010. How many top 5 picks can you find that ended up not being impact players for their teams?
Odds of getting a superstar is about 1 in 4 in the top five. It drops off a cliff after that. Odds of getting at least a good player in the top five is significantly better.
Originally Posted by SouthernHab View Post
Edmonton regards.
That's what they used to say about Colorado. It's what they used to say about Pittsburgh...

You're writing off a team of 18-23 year olds. Stop being so shortsighted.
Originally Posted by SouthernHab View Post
What the **** has happened to the fan base of Montreal?
We watched the teams limp along for 20 years of mediocrity. Watching expansion teams leapfrog us. Watching terrible teams leapfrog us. Watching teams get high picks and watching them turn into superstars while we've had to settle with guys like Saku Koivu as our best players.

The fan base of Montreal watched as success became defined as making the playoffs instead of building towards cups. Short term moves at the expense of long term success became the order of the day and the fans (at least some of us) realize that it's a waste of time.

Originally Posted by SouthernHab View Post
It seems vogue to want to continue to lose in the hopes of maybe landing a good pick that might help the Habs in 3 or 4 years.
Intentionally lose? No. Go for more short term moves to get into 8th though? Hell no!
Originally Posted by SouthernHab View Post
So lets keep playing to lose. Makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Nobody is suggesting we play to lose. We just need to be a lot smarter about how we try to build our team. And what the hell are you suggesting we do anyway? Go out and try to build with the crappy leftover Free Agents that we always try to build with? It hasn't worked. So wtf do you want us to continue doing it?
Originally Posted by SouthernHab View Post
**** Molson, **** Bergevin, **** every single hire this season. Oh, and **** all of the Habs on this team right now. **** em all. Lets keep playing for the top draft pick each season.
Let's play the kids and see how it goes. Maybe we will suck. If we do... fine. But don't make stupid moves to squeak into 8th. Take a longterm approach. We NEVER do this and that's why we never win.
Originally Posted by SouthernHab View Post
If it works for you, then be all for it.

Lose Habs Lose, right?
This has been going for for close to two decades anyway...
Originally Posted by SouthernHab View Post
Go look in the mirror and smell what you're shovelling.
Originally Posted by Uwey View Post
110% agree with this post.

Potential is never guaranteed success at the next levels.
Nothing is guaranteed success man. If you want guarantees go be a taxman.

Are you honestly trying to argue that getting players with the best potential is a bad way to build your team? That's just about the stupidest argument you can possibly make. And yet, people continue to make these same sorry arguments over and over...

Not a guarantee so freaking what? You could have Crosby, Luongo, Stamkos, Malkin and still not be guaranteed to win.

Potential is still a good way to build your team right? Sam Polloch understood this. He traded for it all the time. But here you sit with these silly arguments like potential is not a guarantee... Well if you want a guarantee, we can keep doing things the way we have since our last cup. We're pretty much guaranteed not to win anything if we aren't drafting high or trading for young players with potential. That's what we've avoided for 20 years and it's why we've sucked. So if you're all about guarantees, I guess that's why you want things to stay the way they've been.

More bubble teams and 8th or 9th place finishes... no thanks.

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