The case for a 1-year surgical tank for the Habs
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07-31-2012, 02:53 PM
Join Date: Nov 2006
Originally Posted by
It's not an entitlement complex. It's a winner's mentality. This is a sport, we want to win, or at least be legitimate contenders. We don't want a mediocre 8th place, we don't want an "A for effort" like the 2011-2012 Ottawa Senators... we want to win the championship. We want an "A for excellence". Similarly, in the olympics we rank countries by how many medals they win -- not how many people they have competing.
There are 30 teams in this league. What gives you the right to demand excellence every single season? What makes your team so special that you feel that you deserve to win?
The team that came 1st in 2007-08 was an excellent team. It wasn't an 8th place team, it was a top-4 team and a legitimate contender. It fell apart the next year due too many injuries. People whining about the injuries in 2011-2012 should look up 2008-09. In my view that team was a valid example of a non-tank team being able to compete. The highest draft pick was Mike Komisarek at 7th overall, and he was only the 3rd most important defenseman.
So you admit that you can build a legitimate contender without this amazing infallible rebuild strategy?
The fact it didn't win doesn't negate the fact that it had decent odds to win. I'd be satisfied with a legitimate contender. For example, the Pittsburgh Penguins have been legitimate contenders for 4 of the past 5 years (scratch the year Crosby and Malkin were both injured) and have only made the finals twice.
Yeah, they are contenders because they won a
to get the best player in the game.
Many things that are crapshoots are distributed as uniform random variables, for example the probability of getting "3" when you roll one die. It's 16.7%. That's the definition of a crapshoot I think.
You're the one saying it's a crapshoot. Nobody's denying that luck/randomness plays a role, but it's not uniform. Different teams have different probabilities, which means it's not entirely about luck.
Nice dodge. Seriously, I apparently talked out of my ass and made a complete mockery of myself. Yet...you didn't provide examples of real life complex matters having uniform probability distributions.
You know what is cool about language? Words can be used in certain contexts and have different meanings.
When I said 'glorified crapshoot' do you honestly, actually, believe I mean that every team has a 1/30 chance of winning the cup?
They were not fit to respond to.
Yeah, I guess the fact that there are teams that barely scrape the salary floor that stay in the cellar is a variable that has no bearing on your statistical analysis on the lottery.
That conference finals team overachieved that rode a Halak hot streak. It was an 8th place with Gomez, Hamrlik, Spacek, Moore, Bergeron. Replace those players with Desharnais, Cole, Emelin, Diaz, Kaberle and you have a 12th place team. Remove Cammalleri and Kostitsyn and you have a 15th place team.
Yeah, I must have forgot that Martin was leading the team to a playoff berth until he got axed. 15th team my ass.
I guess you can explain to me, precisely the way you did there, how Philly nose-dived all their way down to the **** bin before going to the SC finals the next year with virtually the same team?
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