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08-09-2012, 10:36 AM
Iain Fyffe
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Originally Posted by Hardyvan123 View Post
Perhaps you didn't read the 1st part of the post you are referring to. there is no effort on my part to purposely "downgrade" players from pre WW2 but part of the problem is in fairly evaluating all players over such a large time span and so many changes in which the game was played and where players come from, ie the huge growth in talent available.
What is difficult in comparing players to the best players that existed at the time? Even if they're only the best that can arise in the circumstances at the time, they are still the best in their time.

It's the circumstances that the player played in that matters, not something that arose later, that (1) the player has no control over and (2) had no effect on the player since he did not play under that circumstance.

Originally Posted by Hardyvan123 View Post
Basically by "respecting" past players and not taking the differences into account we raise the bar for more recent players since they have to compete against non Canadians for instances post early 90's.
How is the bar raised? Modern players, who have all the advantages available to modern players, are compared against other modern players, who play in basically the same circumstances.

Historical players are instead compared against other historical players from their time.

This is the only way you can do it, and still be fair to players from all times.

Yes, players of a particular talent level have to "compete" against more players of that talent level in terms of being ranked on an all-time list. But this fact by itself means that there will already be more modern players on any such list, and suggesting that modern players are therefore somehow disadvantaged seems strange.

Now, whether O6-era players are fairly rated is another matter. But that's a separate issue from whether historical players can be ranked fairly.

Edit: Perhaps you believe that when I say "respect" older players, that I mean players from every era must have equal numerical representation on a list of X of the best players. That is not the case. Just that all players of a certain level should be included, and not have some disregarded because they played too long ago.

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