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08-11-2012, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by trentmccleary View Post
He turns 23yo on Tuesday.

Players drafted as high as he was are almost always producing producing around 21yo.

Heck, even slow progressing Bobby Ryan:
21yo = 57 pts in 64 gp.
Point totals in seasons where they were 22 years old:

James Van Riemsdyk - 24 points in 43 games.
Jakub Voracek - 49 points in 78 games
Derick Brassard - 47 points in 74 games
Kyle Okposo - 20 points in 38 games
Andrew Ladd - 30 points in 63 games
Drew Stafford - 38 points in 64 games
Dustin Brown - 28 points in 79 games
Stephen Weiss - 29 points in 50 games
Mikko Koivu - 21 points in 64 games
Scott Hartnell - 33 points in 59 games

And all of those guys were drafted in the first half of the 1st round, most in the top 10.

So no... most top 6 players don't put up great numbers by 22 years old.

Nobody's saying Turris will be a Stamkos or Giroux, but to write him off as a 2nd line center already is, quite honestly, idiotic.

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Last year, Marcus Foligno scored at the same pace as Thornton, D.Sedin, Kopitar, Datsyuk, Hossa, Ericsson, E.Staal, Ribiero, Zetterberg, Parise and St.Louis.
Even you should recognize how idiotic this statement is, and has no impact on this argument. Turris and the guys I mentioned were drafted in the same year, in the top 10, and are at around the same point developmentally wise. Foligno and Kopitar? Not so much.

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Alfredsson put up 61 points in 79 games last season. A 63 point pace.
Turris put up 32 points in 62 games last season. A 42 point pace.
Alfredsson played at a 63 point pace, so he carried Turris? Alfredsson also got numerous stints on the top line with Spezza and Michalek (especially in 3rd periods), and played a regular PP shift there.

Alfredsson's had a great career. But he's a 2nd line forward now, and he isn't carrying anyone with dominant play.

And Bobby Ryan was never slow progressing. Maybe compared to Crosby and Ovechkin... So he played out his junior career (like many do), but the guy scored 31 goals in his rookie season.

I'd love to hear your opinion on Mikkel Boedker. He's pretty much had the same developmental experience as Turris had. Drafted high, pushed into the NHL at 18 to play for a coach that's defense first and doesn't give much ice time to young players, has one good season in the AHL, and plays very well in the playoffs last year. Still, at 21, his career high 24 points in 82 games.
Does he no longer have a shot at being a top 6 winger?

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