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Mike Buckna, Amateur rules. etc

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Thanks for the correction. I should have said that the next spring, the team "cobble together" after the crash beat out Canada for Gold in the 1949 World Chanpionships.



Yes, I'm twisting facts to make a player we originally drafted as a spare look better. It couldn't possibly be because I don't share your chauvinistic views on European hockey before the Summit Series.



Guryshev and others avoided it too. The crash itself is a big reason the Soviets didn't make their hockey debut until 1954. And as tragic as the crash was, it didnt wipe out the entire team like what happened to the Czechs in 1950.



Would you consider early era Canadians (say, before 1900) to be "founders" too?

Would you really rank Tumba and Sterner over Starshinov or Suchy?

Your artificial distinction of "founders" makes no sense. We're talking 5 players whose careers overlapped and the younger players did not particularly outperform the older ones



So it means something for Canada. What does it mean for Europe?



Czechoslovakia hadn't recovered yet from 1950. If they had, why would the IIHF declare "an entire generation lost?"

http://www.iihf.com/iihf-home/the-ii.../story-48.html




What about the best player on the most dominant National Team in the World for a few years? Yes, the competition wasn't that strong, but it does say something that the Czechoslovaks were superior enough to the Soviets to train them in 1948; that Soviet team that
Czechoslovakian hockey in the forties is a tribute to a Canadian Mike Buckna:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Buckna

who put in the structure, organized and coached the national team in 1947 and 1948.So the Czechs had an edge because their game had Canadian elements and a Canadian coach. Basically what the Czechs brought to the Soviet Union is a reflection of what Mike Buckna introduced in Czechoslovakia.

My point that you twist into chauvinism is about the two sets of rules that existed in hockey starting with the 1943-44 season and the start of the 1969-70 season. The NHL, pro and semi pro leagues and all of Canada used the red line and allowed the aggressive forecheck in the offensive zone. The NCAA, AAU and AHA in the USA and Europe did not recognize the red line and did not allow body checking by the offensive team in the defensive zone. This seriously hampered the development of USA trained hockey players in the fifties and early sixties. It impacted European hockey as well. Both the USA and Europe had to reshape programs in 1969. The results were obvious with the influx of USA and European trained players by the mid 1970s.

Founders. Early Canadian hockey as well.

Suchy lacked on and off ice discipline somewhat like Guy Lafleur. Vyacheslav Starshinov and him would rank 4th and 5th. Did not have the complete game that Sven Tumba and Sterner did or the explosive varied offense that Firsov did.

1956 Soviet gold medal was a clear signal to European hockey that the structure in place was solid.

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