GMHL - What is this league's deal?
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08-17-2012, 05:43 PM
Join Date: Dec 2009
First off. Appriciate the well spoken nature of your posts. Most of the debating that I have done with those involved with the GMHL disove quickly into name calling (you saw it here before). It's nice to see a common, civil conversation.
I've been involved with minor hockey for roughly 10 years before I moved on to scout with the OHL. I have seen first hand alot of GMHL, because I have had alot of parents and kids come to me and ask about the league. My comments don't come from heresay, they come from first hand experiences.
Most of my experiences with people in the GMHL are similar. They would be happy to see you, but as soon as there was any conversation about inproprieites in the league, they quicky either change the subject or accuse you of something.
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What Tigers (for short) says about honesty is, to some extent, true. The organization in Deseronto has, in my experience, been, for the last several years, uhhhh...shifty. While I know of no financial irregularities there personally, I am not surprised at the reports Tigers gives AND I would tend to accept the validity of them, not because I know Tigers (though I don't for a second doubt his honesty), but because financial irregularities seem characteristic of the Deseronto organization as I have seen them operate. There have been some good hockey players at Deseronto over the last few years. But, their ownership/administration has been in and out of disrepute throughout the four years in which I have been aware of the League. I am not aware of anyone who shed tears when Deseronto announced that it was moving out of the League and down to the "C" level.
Aside from Deseronto, I can't think of a team that is in or has been in the League in the last four years that I would consider to be dishonest. As I said in an earlier post, my view of the League has been almost exclusively limited to the top 3-5 teams in the League. Among those teams, sure, I've seen a couple of "slick" trades perhaps, though the players involved always agreed to them, which is a League rule. And, anyone who has been around hockey for a while knows that a coach's commitment on playing time, while probably honestly given, is always subject to re-interpretation at the coach's convenience later.
My friend/contact did not have any issues with Desoronto. I have no idea what kind of program they run/ran. I never mentioned Desoronto, just for clarity. The team that took the money from my contacts is still in the GNML. The issue was that they signed a deal with a team that required money up front, but in the fine print of the agreement the team had the option to cut the player at any time. Come the start of the year, he was cut, and the team was $8,000 richer, as it was a non refundable payment. All legal, but very slimy. I don't care what the program is, or what the sum or money us, I couldn't live with myself If I was the team. The parents where ill informed and signed naively, that was their issue, however the team was...less then honest when. They found a spot in Midget.
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With respect to OHL scouts scouting the GMHL, or rather NOT scouting the GMHL, the majority of GMHL players are not realistic pro prospects, but many of them DO have a legitimate shot at an NCAA deal. They would lose that opportunity if they played in the OHL, so, for that reason alone, the GMHL would not be particularly fertile ground for the OHL to scout. What Tigers is suggesting, it sounds like, is that OHL scouts are being told not to scout the GMHL by their teams at the behest of Hockey Canada. Pursuant to what I opined in an earlier post, to the GMHL, Hockey Canada is irrelevant. And this is another demonstration that Hockey Canada is more interested in being a governing body than it is in expanding opportunities for young hockey players. What Hockey Canada tried to do to the citizens of Shelburne, Ontario, as a result of their support of the GMHL's "ALL-Russian" team in Shelburne a season or two ago should make all right-thinking Canadians ashamed to be Canadians. This is a well-known factual story which shows Hockey Canada to be nothing more that I described...interested in being a governing body first, foremost, and always, and the players be damned.
You are missing my point on this, and perhaps that was my fault for not articulating it well. When players where recruited, they where told that OHL scouts go to games. That, as you point out, doesn't happen. Goes back to the transparency. Why lie? Why stretch the truth?
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I DO agree with Tigers on the issue of "fluffing things up". I think that, as a seven year old league, the GMHL needs to continue to build name recognition in connection with good hockey, it needs to show that GMHL players can go on to play elsewhere and at higher levels, and a number of other things. As they haven't had a player yet go straight from the League to an NHL roster (but when did the NOJHL last send a kid straight to an NHL roster?) they count their victories where they find 'em. If you keep adding up your small victories, pretty soon the victories will become larger and larger. Do I REALLY see that Clint Windsor, who played a partial season several years ago in the GMHL and is NOW considered a prospect, is a guy that the GMHL should make a banner headline out of? No. he IS an alumnus and should be on a list of such. But making him front page GMHL news is "fluffing things up" and on that sort of thing I agree with Tigers.
Thats a big issue for me. I look at the list of 'Alumni' and shake my head. The players listed there play 10-15 games and then go back to the same spot that they where before. Thats not development, and pretending that you did these players a huge service is dishonest, in my opinion.
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And, in closing for now, I must still maintain what I said in an earlier post. For a young player with appropriate talent, determination, discipline, and work ethic, with Bob Bernstein now heading up player placement at the League level, the GMHL is moving players directly into both NCAA deals and solid pro contracts on both sides of the Atlantic with teams/leagues that are direct paths to the top levels of international hockey, including the NHL. I think more announcements will be coming by summer's end.
And my responce to that Is that we already have way to many leagues in Ontario to start with. Jr A, CCHL, Jr B, Jr C, NOJHL, Midget. The NCAA only takes 100 from Canada or so kids a year, there is only so much talent, why continue to dilute it and sell kids (especially foregn players who's parents reportedly go bankrupt) on Jr A when it just isn't there.
Why pay $8,000 - $20,000K when Midget has more success then the GMHL? I don't see it. I get that the owners see easy ways to make money, but I hate to see it on the backs of nieve parents/imports.
Again, I appriciate your passion for the league, but I just have seen so many negatives in this league that I just can't accept its worth the small positives that may come out, especially when those positives are usually on the backs of other leagues.
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