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08-17-2012, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe View Post

But to add to what he said, I don't see how this is relevant in determining the best players in Europe. The best players in Europe before 1969 were Anatoli Firsov and Jan Suchy, and they remained the best players in Europe for a few years after the rule changes.

Can you provide a source for Suchy lacking on ice discipline? I realize he was a drunk off the ice.

You're entitled to your views, though I don't know if many would agree with them. Starshinov was more dominant in a better league than either Tumba or Sterner and Suchy was much more dominant internationally over better competition than any of them.

Does the fact that Tumba and Sterner tried out for the NHL and the others didn't have any influence on your views?
Sven Tumba and Sterner had longevity. Firsov and Suchy were mid sixties on.

Suchy on ice discipline. Check his PIMs. For the European Bobby Orr in a non physical environment they indicate a lack of on ice discipline.

Starshinov. The Soviet league was never as balanced top to bottom of as the Swedish league was

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