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08-19-2012, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by wgknestrick View Post
What does a defender's SV% on ice have to do with these forwards' SH%?
The argument as I understand it was that if a defender faces better competition, that competition has a better shooting percentage and equivalently the SV% on will be lower (thus, if SV% ON is high, despite high QoC, we could conclude that that defenseman is very good defensively).

I'm merely showing that that isn't true. Extremely often we find that the players who score the most goals do not in fact have the highest shooting percentages and equivalently do not generate the lowest SV% ONs. Luck plays a pretty huge role in shooting percentage and equivalently SV% ON. Are the guys I listed really the best scorers in the NHL (Right Column)? Or are these guys (Left Column)?

Steven Stamkos Curtis Glencross
Evgeni Malkin Steven Stamkos
Marian Gaborik Jiri Hudler
James Neal Kyle Wellwood
Alex Ovechkin Jordan Eberle
Ilya Kovalchuk Nathan Horton
Phil Kessel David Perron
Scott Hartnell Tyler Ennis
Corey Perry Martin Erat
Matt Moulson Sergei Kostitsyn
Radim Vrbata Milan Lucic
Michael Ryder Jordan Staal
Erik Cole Brad Marchand
Milan Michalek Michael Ryder
Jason Spezza Tyler Bozak
Jordan Eberle Maxime Talbot
Patrick Sharp Milan Michalek
Max Pacioretty Chris Kelly
Jarome Iginla Matt Moulson
John Tavares David Desharnais
Zach Parise Valtteri Filppula
Logan Couture Scott Hartnell
Joe Pavelski Patrik Elias
Bobby Ryan David Krejci
Jason Pominville Kyle Okposo
Daniel Sedin Nik Antropov
Patrick Marleau Teddy Purcell
Rick Nash Eric Nystrom
Evander Kane Jonathan Toews
David Clarkson Dainius Zubrus
Left Column (top 30 goal scorers) are generally accepted to be better shooters than the Right Column (top 30 shooting percent), right?

What I'm saying is, shooting percentage is very erratic year-to-year in the short term, and so is save percentage. Just because a defenseman has a higher SV% ON and faces tough competition, doesn't really mean he's excellent defensively, he could just be benefiting from good luck, much like the guys in the Right Column.

This is kind of off topic to my OP though, but I'm happy to discuss it.

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