Did Eller Really Play Tougher Minutes Than Desharnais?
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08-19-2012, 11:59 AM
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I was looking up some stats to find out who gets babied and who gets challenged among the Habs centers, so I used the website "BehindTheNet.ca" which keeps tracks of the quality of competition and such.
They report a statistic called Corsi QoC, which is the weighted average quality of their opponents on the ice. A large positive number means tough opponents, a large negative number means weak opponents. I found the following for the Habs centers (for 5 on 5 play):
The numbers are similar for another statistic called "Relative Corsi QoC" but I'm not sure what the difference is. Note that these numbers include whatever fraction of the time these players played on the wing. For comparison, Josh Gorges scored 1.068, whereas Chris Campoli scored -0.494.
I knew that Desharnais needed privileges to become the 20th most productive center in the NHL (best linemates on the team, 3 minutes a game of PP time, tons of offensive zone starts, no PK responsibilities), and I knew he got weaker competition than Plekanec, but I had no idea his opposition was weaker than that of Eller.
1) Is there some loophole I don't know about, or did Eller actually play substantially tougher minutes than Desharnais?
2) Given that Eller is apparently playing very tough minutes, should we reassess a
common view among Habs fans that this player is not working out and that he may simply be a 3rd liner at best?
I don't see this as being a common theme among Habs fans. You don't even have to argue that he only has offensive 'potential' if you look at the goals he scored this past year.
The only players on the team to score more goals than Lars Eller in 2011-2012 were: Erik Cole, Max Pacioretty, and Tomas Plekanec. The only players to score more ES goals were Cole and Pacioretty. Eller accomplished this with less ice time (15:18) than Cole/Pacioretty/Plekanec (18:31/18:15/20:45), less PP time (0:39) vs (3:15/3:10:3:05), playing against tougher competition (except for Plekanec, as seen in Corsi stats) and often times with crappy line mates of his own.
I argue that Eller is already a fantastic 3rd line center that could be serviceable on the 2nd line, and still has the potential to grow.
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