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08-19-2012, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MXD View Post
Again, what I wonder with QoC...

Those stats do not tell us how good DEFENSIVELY were the guys against whom the Pax/Cole/DD played. I can't remember who brought the Sami Pahlsson point, but that's clearly a case where QoC is somewhat counter-productive.

By that metric, a guy like Jussi Jokinen (or any guy who is offensively-competent, but not exactly the best thing since sliced bread, and not that great defensively) would score higher than a guy like Pahlsson, yet, it's probably much tougher to play against Sami Pahlsson than against J.Jokinen. And since Jokinen isn't THAT great, well, a player who ends being matched up against a 2nd-tier offensive player probably has an easier task than the one up against Pahlsson, especially as far as scoring is concerned.

Oh, back to Eller. Please, don't move him to wing. Down the road, he's probably the one (not DD, not Galchenyuk) who would make the better replacement for Plekanec -- ie, a guy able to score 20, play good-to-very-good defense and who doesn't own terrific on-ice vision.

DD? Whether he's a winger or a center long-term is up in the air. Ironically, DD would make a great partner to Eller. Or could end up being our version of Daniel Brière (3rd line with big bodies but PP duties). Or he could actually end up having an even better season than last year.

Oh, and while we're at it... SHould the Sedins be relegated to 2nd line duties?
QoC stats don't focus so much on difficulty of scoring a point, they're focused on difficulty of winning a matchup.

So it may be harder to get points against a Pahlsson than a Jokinen, but because a Jokinen can score on you back it can be harder to get a good goal differential than against a Pahlsson.

That said it takes quite a bit of a gap for a QoC stat to really get significant, in general Eller's and Desharnais lines tended to be 2nd or 3rd in level of forward opponent most nights while Plekanec was usually the clear shutdown guy. Although Eller did get some nights as the primary shutdown center. Eller's role shifted quite a bit at times depending on his linemates as well.

Also Cunneyworth wasn't nearly as strong at managing matchups as Martin was, which became a factor towards the end of the season.

Desharnais did attract better defenseman opposition though.

Note on Eric T's chart from NHLNumbers, its a little misleading because two dots that should be around Plekanec (Cammalleri+Gionta) are missing those were the top level of competition guys for the Habs. Kostitsyn would be around where Moen is also.

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