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08-22-2012, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by barneyg View Post
It's an old (and different) debate but I'm not convinced you want to put all your weight on "relative to team" metrics when evaluating the league's best d-men. Travis Hamonic was #2 in the league for +/- relative to team among d-men, playing tough competition and getting average zone starts. Is he the league's 2nd best d-man? I think he just played on a very crappy team.
Originally Posted by MandyAlwaysKnows View Post
That's the biggest problem with this whole thing.

For example, Dan Girardi had a negative +/- relative to his team. But the guy led the league in ice time and his team finished 1st in the East... he must be doing something right.
Certainly true. You need to look at all 3: nominal +/-, relative to team +/-, and relative to most common teammates +/-.

I think if Player A beats Player B in all 3 of those metrics while facing similar competition, that really does tell you somethning in most cases.

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