Who's better? Helm vs Stoll
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08-24-2012, 08:09 PM
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^It's hilarious how badly you clearly want it to be biased. Why is bias any more likely than truly believing it? Why doesn't he just label all his guys "the best ___ in the game?". Why just randomly cherry pick Darren Helm? But we're forum rats, everything must be bias.
. Anytime anyone ever has an opinion, NHL coach, fan, anyone, we're there to police their credibility and judge their subjectivity. And those who feel Stoll is better and want to "win" the argument are sitting here desperately (with their own bias ironically enough) trying to discredit Mike Babcock. That's the funniest part to me.
Penner is better offensively than Cleary and Miller and I don't consider this an excuse. Cleary 2-3 years ago was pretty good, but Cleary last year was garbage. It's debatable but to me what isn't debatable is that you should outscore a guy playing a similar role, while you get PP time and he gets none. And the difference between Penner/Lewis and Miller/Cleary doesn't bridge that.
Penner is better offensively than Cleary and Miller?
Penner scored 6-10-16 in 65 games at ES last year plus 1 PPG. Miller scored 14-11-25 in 80 games at ES with no PP time. So let's add 15 games (just shy of 25%) to Penner's stats; we get 7-12-19 at ES. Stunning.
And Cleary's 30 ES points was the highest number of any player on either line.
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