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08-26-2012, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by WeThreeKings View Post
They know nothing.

You are building a team. You are selecting your top defenceman. If you select a guy who can only play rover and PP, you are going to be a horrific team.

My ideal top defenseman? Plays the point on the PP, springs the attack from the back end, eats up short-handed situations, is the key piece to the 5-on-3 kill, and is a stalwart on defense.

Apparently your ideal top defenseman is a guy who averaged 33 seconds a game shorthanded. You know what that means? He was only ever used in situations where the penalty was expiring, the face-off or puck was played in the other opponents end and they could transition from short-handed to offence once the penalty was killed.

Erik Karlsson ranked 167th in the league for DEFENSEMAN for short-handed time on ice. He however averaged 4 minutes a game on the powerplay. 8th overall for D on the powerplay.

PK Subban averaged 2:36 minutes a game on the penalty kill. Good enough for 48th in the league (Only reason he didn't play more is because of Hal Gill & Gorges forming the tandem for the first unit).

You can try and argue your way out of this, which you won't, but what the stats and anyone with a keen hockey eye will realise is that PK Subban is much more rounded defenseman than Karlsson. In no world is PK Subban better offensively, but I'll take the <20 points that Karlsson will get over Subban, for the time on ice Subban is killing penalties, hitting the opposition, drawing penalties, and skating us out of trouble.
Evaluating defenseman solely on their defensive abilities is as silly as evaluating forwards solely on their point production.

Every non-goalie position is a two-way position in the modern NHL.

Erik Karlsson may not have killed penalties, but he produced 19 goals and 78 points and went +16 on a mediocre team.That's TWENTY-FIVE more points than the second best dman on offense, Brian Campbell and Dustin Byfuglien in a two-way tie, and thus easily makes up for his lack of contribution on the penalty kill.

By the way the difference in points between Karlsson and Subban is 40 points not <20 points. Do you like Subban's offense? Karlsson doubled Subban's offense last year.

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