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08-27-2012, 10:30 AM
Join Date: Sep 2002
Originally Posted by
Youngest core. Not team.
This, though I'm not sure our aussie friend here knows the difference.
Originally Posted by
I surely hope you jest right there.
We just came 20th (missed play-offs)
The year before we came 29th (missed play-offs)
The year before we came 12th (out on the first round)
The year before we came 28th (missed play-offs)
Three out of our last 4 years, we have missed play-offs, and two of those were bottom three.
Now, you said I should stick to soccer, because I have no idea what I'm talking about, then claimed we have the youngest team in the league as it stands. We most certainly had the youngest core in 2011/2012, with an average age of 26.067, but with the acquisitions of Parenteau (30 next year), Mitchell (28 next year), Zanon (33 next year), and with our core one year older, we would be closer to circa 27.616 (especially in the event no rookies should make the team based on the below line-up), which has us 11th - 15th oldest in the NHL, so this can no longer be an excuse.
Yes, I consider Avs line-up VERY mediocre to be honest and fair. Do we boast the line-up's The Hawk's, The Cap's, The Canuck's, The Penguin's, The Rangers, The Flyers, The Bruin's & co. do?
Lets be honest here, and say no.
For that reason, our line-up is mediocre (I'd say offense is "average", our defense is horrible, our goalie situation is excellent).
Top three lines in no particular order here:
Mcginn - Stastny - Jones
Landeskog - O'Reilly - Downie
Parenteau - Duchene - Hejduk
Mcleod - Mitchell - Kobasew
Zanon - Johnson
Wilson - O'Brien
O'Byrne - Hejda
My opinion: this is a 19th - 29th placed team. Therefore, I stand by my comments with all due respect, we have a mediocre line-up that still gets dominated by certain teams.
Put it this way. We don't have a blood rivalry with Detroit anymore, because they turned into a team out of our league quality wise both on and off the ice (which kinda stinks).
Just the fact that you're mentioning the rivalry with the wings pretty much PROVES you don't know what you're talking about.
Do you really believe that Landeskog, Duchene, O'Reilly & Johnson will be shipped out SOON and we'll have another wave of younger talent replacing them before they even get the chance to hit their prime??
People like you make me laugh. You see the team for what it is right now and cannot project one or even two seasons into the future to see how it will all come together. You can't even make the same extrapolation for the wings, who just lost probably the best d-man to ever play the game in the modern era to retirement and have no one to replace him and it's like nothing happened. They are going to be worse off, you can bank on it. If the Avs want to 'keep up' with the wings, they'll need to be a team on the decline instead of a team on the rise.
Instead of spewing off a bunch of nonsense, why don't you check out HOW those teams were actually built and how long it took for them to actually become teams that consistently win and compete in the playoffs.
Ok let's see:
Hawks - take a look where THEY were when THEY selected Kane (#1), Toews (#3), Barker (#3), Skille (#7) and Seabrook (#14). Oh no, THEY never finished last or close to last in the standings and rebuilt their team with young players. Nope, never happened.
(Core drafted - 2003-2007)
Caps - take a look where THEY were when THEY selected Ovechkin (#1), Backstrom (#4) and Alzner (#5). Oh no, THEY never finished last or close to last in the standings and rebuilt their team with young players. Nope, never happened.
(Core drafted - 2004-2007)
Penguins - take a look where THEY were when THEY selected Crosby (#1), Malkin (#2), J. Staal (#2) and Fleury (#1). Oh no, THEY never finished last or close to last in the standings and rebuilt their team with young players. Nope, never happened.
(Core drafted - 2003-2006)
Bruins - take a look where THEY were when THEY selected Kessel (#5), Hamill (#8 - ouch) and Colborne (#15). Oh no, THEY never finished last or close to last in the standings and rebuilt their team with young players. Nope, never happened.
Lucky for them, they made some very astute signings (Chara) and made fantastic use of their 2nd-3rd round picks (Lucic, Marchand). The Kessel trade enables them to keep the wheels moving and don't forget what Tim Thomas has meant for that franchise the past 5 years. (Core drafted - 2003-2006) [Bergeron 2nd round '03, Krejci 2nd round '04, Lucic 2nd round '06, Marchand 3rd round '06)
Rangers - take a look where THEY were when THEY selected Jessiman (#12), Montoya (#6) and M.Staal (#12). Oh no, THEY never finished last or close to last in the standings and rebuilt their team with young players. Nope, never happened.
The Rangers are actually
to draft Lundqvist, who is without a doubt the backbone of that franchise. Then they made some good picks despite the first round busts with Callahan 4th round in '04, Dubinsky 2nd round in '04, Anisimov 2nd round in '06, Hagelin 6th round in '07, Del Zotto 1st round '08 and Stepan 2nd round '08. (Core drafted 2004 - 2008)
Canucks - take a look where THEY were when THEY selected D. Sedin (#2), H. Sedin (#3), B.Allen (#4) and B.Ference (#10). Oh no, THEY never finished last or close to last in the standings and rebuilt their team with young players. Nope, never happened.
In fact, look how LONG it took for the Sedins to actually take over for guys like Markus Naslund and Todd Bertuzzi and actually start being a consistent winning team. It's certainly not something that happened instantly.
(Core drafted - 1999-2003)
Flyers - They've taken a different, quicker approach and have had mixed results. They've actually done quite well with their late 1st round picks (Richards, Downie, Giroux) but it also helps when you acquire one of the top d-men in the game (Pronger). Trading your core (Richards, Carter) signing Bryzgalov and now with Pronger injured, they're not really in any better shape than they were. Even if they traded most of their core away for other pieces, it still doesn't change the fact that they were drafted from 2003 to 2007.
(Core drafted - 2003-2007)
**obviously, some of these guys didn't turn out but that's not the point. The point is, that all of these teams finished very low in the standings and improved their team with higher draft picks in every round.
You see, it's HILARIOUS that you put the Avs in the same boat as these teams since they are ALL 3-7 years AHEAD of where we currently sit.
Since 2008, we only have THREE players remaining from that team. Stastny, Hejduk and McLeod. That's not a core. If we consider that Stewart was traded for Johnson (both drafted in 2006) and our core starts there (being very generous here), then the same exercise for the Avs would result in our core being from 2006-2011 and at the VERY LEAST, 2 to 3 years behind ALL of these teams, if not more.
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