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08-29-2012, 02:51 PM
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Paajarvi had a very good rookie season. He scored 15 goals in his first year on NA ice and showed that he is very good defensively.
When the Oilers signed Smyth, Paajarvi was the guy that took the hit. No doubt he struggled offensively, but still proved to be very good defensively. When he was sent down to the AHL he had a slow start but once he was familiar with the system, played quite well in his first trip. Then when he was recalled for a short stint and again played well for the short time he was back up.
During the playoffs Paajarvi was the Barons' best player. There were several games when he was quite dominant. He actually showed a physical component to his game as well.
He is 6'3" 210lbs. He is a great skater, has a good shot, and is a much better playmaker than most give him credit for. And he has just turned 21. There is no chance that the Oilers are ready to give up on him. Certainly not for Cody Franson, a guy who despite all you protestations would be at best a 3rd pairing defensemen this year but probably would be a #7 on the Oilers.
You can claim Franson is better than Petry all you want. All this does is to suggest that you have not seen Petry play, that you know little about the Oilers. He certainly does not play ahead of Smid, Whitney or N. Schulz. So he is on the third pairing.
Cleary the plan is to give J. Schultz plenty of time to prove himself. He will get sheltered minutes at ES and pp time with the kids. He is an important investment for this team so hsi development will be a priority.
The Oilers also have Taylor Fedun as a right handed offensive dman. He would likely have made the team last year but for his devastating injury. From the looks of things a Perry Pearns 3 vs 3 camp, he is agin skating very well. THis kid has tremendous hockey sense, is a great skater, has a big shot and despite the fact that he is on the smaller side has a very good defensive game. THis kid is a sleeper who most people on these boards have never even heard of.
The Oilers will also want a physical component on the defense as well which means:
1) Sutton---He played very well in his given role, when he was not suspended.
2) Peckham ---He had an excellent year in 2010-2011, but suffered a concussion in a fight that set him back a lot. He struggled last year at ES, but is still an excellent pk'er. Clearly, the new coach wants to see if he can regain the physical component of his game. (If they added Franson, Peckham might have to be wiaved and would likely be claimed.)
3) Teubert---Not sure why you call him a bust. He was probably one of OKC's most important players. He is a good skater, has very good mobility, a big shot, and unlike Franson, he is astough as nails and will not hesitate to go to battle for e teammate. He is also only 22 years old and has another year on his ELC. Teubert saw a fair bit of action last year, he did struggle at times, but on the whole played quite well despite being recalled when the Oiler's defense was badly injury riddled. Kid looks like a future solid third pairing guy to me with the potential to be a 2nd pairing shutdown guy.
One of these three ione s probably going to be playing on most nights simply because of the physical aspect of their game. So what you have is little room on this team for Cody Franson right now and even less once some of their best prospects start showing up.
As for Colborne, people in Edmonton know Colborne quite well as he played in the AJHL. If he played with heart he could be a valuable addition to the Oilers. But he typically does not. The kid has lots of skills but has yet to show that he can take advantage of them. He is big, which the Oilers need, but he plays small, so is of lttle value to the Oilers. They already have a project like this in Ryan Martindale. Right now Colborne is better of course, but not by so much as to make the Oilers want to trade Paajarvi for Franson.
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Not foolish at all, AND I said he wouldn't be
, not "wanted". If the Oilers goal is to upgrade their defence, why would they waste their "return value" in a trade on another forward? I didn't mention anything about Colborne's value or projection as an NHLer, I was strictly saying that for a team so overloaded with young forwards, it makes little sense for them to actively seek out more of them in return for a guy they picked 10th overall (who, admittedly, is not offering decent return on that investment at the moment).
My point was, and still stands: if the Oilers are going to make a move for a defenceman, they need to put all their eggs in one basket and get one good defenceman in a return for their assets. "Splitting up the value" they get in return makes little sense. Colborne may have a nice career, but he wouldn't fit into Edmonton's plans at all. He would be redundant for THEM. That's no knock against Colborne, but for a team who was considering trading down in this past draft to select a defenceman, or taking Murphy outright... adding yet ANOTHER young forward to their stable makes absolutely zero sense. They need a defenceman that has "
the value of Colborne AND Franson
Edmonton needs to be all-in for a defenceman, and not bothering with proposals that try to add forwards to help "even out a deal" because the defenceman being offered isn't up to par / what they really need going forwards.
The voice of reason in this thread, thanks guys.
You know I really hate the argument some posters use. Player X is more proven than player Y so they must be more valuable.
By that token Peckham would be more valuable than Reilly, it's a **** argument and I wish posters would stop using it. Real GM's look at upside.
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