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09-03-2012, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DAChampion View Post
I really don't understand why some of you don't get the concept that quality of linemates and opposition really matter in determining a player's production.

For an extreme example, look at James Neal. He was a 30-30 player at best when playing with Mike Ribeiro, and he became a 40-40 player when playing with Evgeni Malkin.

In this guy you cherrypick the final 56 games, and you criticize Plekanec for scoring 31 points in 56 games when starting in the defensive zone against players against the best players in the league and lining up with Brad Staubitz, Ryan White, Mathieu Darche, etc. You know how many points Desharnais would score with those kinds of players? Well, he had 22 points in 43 games last year playing with linemates of the same caliber as Ryan White, but without the stronger opposition and more dzone starts. That is inferior to Plekanec's 52 points in 82 games.

I want you to pause and think here, do yourself a favor and visualize two separate situations:

1) David Desharnais gets a faceoff in the offensive zone against Rick Peverly, with Max Pacioretty and Erik Cole on his wings.
2) Tomas Plekanec gets a faceoff in the defensive zone against Tyler Seguin. Brad Staubitz and Ryan White are on his wings.

Who do you think is going to get more points? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ?????? what a tough call, no idea ?????

Relative to Plekanec, Desharnais had:
- better linemates
- weaker opposition
- more ozone starts and fewer dzone starts

We can't control for all these factors, but we can control for weaker opposition by going to If we check up road stats, we can compare the players with Desharnais still having better linemates, still having more ozone starts, but not having weaker opposition.

Plekanec had 30 points in 41 road games whereas Desharnais had 25 points in 40 road games. Plekanec produced more, with equivalent opposition, weaker linemates and inferior zone starts.

Finally, we know how Plekanec can do when given favorable situations. He had 69 points in 2007-08 and 70 points in 2009-2010. When he's given the task of unfavorable situations but good linemates, he produces 57 points in 77 games like he did in 2010-2011.

Desharnais may one day become a better offensive player than Plekanec, but right now he's not there.
bang on bro plus add the following

DD will not be effective without proper linemates

send him to Columbus and let him get his 50-60 points o na team going nowhere

he is not a defender , gets pushed off the puck , and is not a penalty killer

Pleks plays a 2 way game , can kill penalties and can play with different linemates

Even Eller plays with junk , gets no PP time and nearly scored 20 goals

he can skate, hit and has a rocket of shot

u put him with better players, what he doesnt producte more points

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