MLD 2012 Montagu Allan QF: Zambia Mania vs. Montreal Orfuns
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09-06-2012, 10:31 PM
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The Mania does have size issues, especially at center where their four centers are all smaller than the four Orfuns' centers( 5'11"/6'4",6'/6'3")
As I said in the other post, you have to use the size effectively to put it to good use.
As for the actual size, you can't compare guys from the 1990s to guys from the 1920s. Size is relative. This is a good time to use our adjusted size chart. It's not an exact science, but it should help here.
Paul Haynes was 5'10" and 160 lbs, and was born in 1910. His adjusted size woud be 6'1" and 190 lbs.
Don Smith was 5'7" and 160 lbs, and was born 1888. His adjusted size would be 6'0" and 200 lbs.
Charlie Sands was 5'9" and 160 lbs, and was born in 1911. His adjusted size would be 6'0" and 190 lbs..
Todd Marchant is modern, so no need to adjust his 5'10" and 180 lbs.
Paul Haynes, Don Smith, and Charlie Sands were all about average for their era, so thay should be considered average in the ATD. Same goes for both Barry Pederson and Mike Ridley. All 5 of these centers are about the same size here (about 6' and about 200 lbs). Todd Marchant is smaller. Jordan Staal and Robert Lang are bigger.
As I said before, though, size only matters if it gets used. Montreal has the size edge, but Zambia has the toughness, aggressiveness, and grit edges. I realize there is more to hockey than fighting, but just to demonstrate my point.... if our centers had a 4 on 4 brawl, Zambia's smaller foursome would easily come out on top.
plus with the exception of Marchant they are not elite skaters. The Orfuns have size and speed.
Again, there's quite a bit of docmented evidence than Paul Haynes and Don Smith were excellent skaters (both fast and quick).
Likewise the Mania wingers - two biggest Maloney and Vanek are not known for defence. The Orfuns' wingers with size(6'+) can play defense. This will be a problem playing against the Orfuns puck moving defensemen.
The best way to counter puck-moving defensemen is to pressude them with an aggressive forecheck. Our team is built for that - we have a lot of quick and aggressive forwards. Since your puck-moving defensemen are rather small, huge forecheckers are not really necessary to knock them off the puck.
Interesting match-up that the Mania proposes. Sounds like Claude Julien trying to match Chara against Eric Staal. The Mania does not have the size/reach advantage that Chara did. Pederson is 5'11' same size or slightly bigger than Dvorak/Young. Your other two pairings have Scott Hannan and Mike Green, both 6'1" paired with Streit and Buswell. Hannan can handle a physical forward in the slot or one that crashes the net. but on the Orfuns, the 2nd to 4th lines there are five forwards who will play the slot and/or crash the net. Considering that you have a smallish goalie in Paddy Moran this could be a major issue.
First of all, we don't really need to match anybody against Jordan Staal. He's not even close to a significant offensive threat.
Doug Young was 5'10" and 190 lbs, and Walt Buswell was 5'11" and 170 lbs, and they both played in the 1930s. The average size back then was probably 5'8" or 5'9" and 160-170 lbs. Doug Young was a little taller than average, but quite a bit thicker. Walt Buswell was about average weight, but quite tall. Mike Green, Miroslav Dvorak, and Scott Hannan are all around average size. Green and Streit defiantely won't be clearing creases, but the rest are fine or better. Buswell is kind of lanky, so he's not built for it, but he was a great defensive guy, so he'd be solid. Dvorak, Young, and Hannan are all powerfully built guys, and will have no issue moving bodies around.
Furthermore, our "smallish" goalie was actually huge for his era. 5'11" in 1902 is like 6'4" or 6'5" today. Not only is our goalie nothing close to small, he's also vicious... we're talking Brian Hextall style crease-clearing.
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