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09-07-2012, 12:31 PM
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Claude Larose

Originally Posted by seventieslord View Post
Although I still find the assertion that Larose "peaked higher" than Sandford to be bordering on ridiculous, there are definitely redeeming qualities in Larose's favour that may make him a more attractive player:

- peak seasons aside, his adjusted production is very similar
- he played in the NHL almost twice as long*
- his defensive reputation is just as strong or stronger (isn't it?)
- he was a contributor to very strong teams, winning five cups,
- his production with a weaker team for one season in his prime suggests that being on a stronger team hindered his production, and his numbers don't truly reflect his talent level.

* now the asterisk is, expansion obviously contributed to him playing in the NHL for longer, as it did for a multitude of other players. The question is, how much did it help? As of 1968, he was a part-time Hab who actually spent 10 games in the minors. Without the trade to Minnesota that apparently revitalized him and made him an attractive acquisition once again for the habs, does he get stuck in the minors forever? (probably not, but it's something his GM should at least have to answer for)

The Ron Murphy comparison is also interesting. Murphy did outproduce Sandford and for much longer, but hasn't been a very popular MLD/AAA player. Part of it is because we know so little about what non-offense value he brought to the table. If he was your standard up-and-down winger who played responsible and reasonably physical hockey, then he was just as valuable as Sandford but for longer (save for one spike playoff).

Sandford seems like a really poor man's Harry Watson but I'm having a hard time determining just how poor.
Claude Larose was sent to the minors for 10 games during the 1967-68 to rehab an injury. The Canadiens post 1967 expansion had Bobby Rousseau, Claude Provost plus a maturing Yvan Cournoyer on RW plus a promising Mickey Redmond. He came back and contributed a solid playoff for a 4th RW - 5 pts in 12 games.

Factor out the injury season - 1967-68 and Larose strings together a five year peak that Sanford cannot match. Sanford gets the benefit of the same consideration for his injury season, 1949-50.

Sanford is getting a lot of mileage from one playoff spike that was strong but not as strong as Marcel Bonin in 1959. Bonin had better regular seasons with SC teams - Detroit and Montreal:

Poor man's Harry Watson? More accurate description would be a lite, non-winning version of Harry Watson, Marcel Bonin.

Sanford did not last with a SC team - Detroit, quickly moved to Chicago, then out of the league in a season.

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