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09-08-2012, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 View Post
There is hyperbole, puffery, and pure nonsense in the claims about Paddy Moran. A pure MLD "Hat Trick"

Paddy Moran - the facts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_M...8ice_hockey%29

Paddy Moran - the stats:

Regular season

Season Team League GP W L T SO GAA
1901–02 Quebec Athletics CAHL 8 4 4 0 0 4.25
1902–03 Quebec Athletics CAHL 7 3 4 0 0 6.57
1903–04 Quebec Athletics CAHL 6 5 1 0 0 6.17
1904–05 Quebec Athletics CAHL 9 7 2 0 0 5.00
1905–06 Quebec Bulldogs ECAHA 10 3 7 0 0 6.79
1906–07 Quebec Bulldogs ECAHA 6 0 6 0 0 9.61
1907–08 Quebec Bulldogs ECAHA 10 5 5 0 0 7.38
1908–09 Quebec Bulldogs ECHA 12 3 9 0 0 8.83
1910 Haileybury Comets NHA 11 3 8 0 0 7.21
1910–11 Quebec Bulldogs NHA 16 4 12 0 0 5.91
1911–12 Quebec Bulldogs NHA 18 10 8 0 0 4.26
1912–13 Quebec Bulldogs NHA 20 16 4 0 1 3.70
1913–14 Quebec Bulldogs NHA 20 12 8 0 1 3.58
1914–15 Quebec Bulldogs NHA 20 11 9 0 0 3.91
1915–16 Quebec Bulldogs NHA 22 10 10 0 0 3.54
1916–17 Quebec Bulldogs NHA 7 1 5 0 0 6.84
Playoffs

Season Team League GP W L SO GAA
1911–12 Quebec Bulldogs NHA 2 2 0 1 1.50
1912–13 Quebec Bulldogs NHA 2 2 0 0 2.50

Has anyone seen a worse pro or semi-pro goalie? Two Stanley Cup winning teams without having to face a western challenge. 17 seasons. Only 4 seasons with a GAA < 4.00, 2 seasons < 5.00, 11 seasons in between 5.00 and 10.00 GAA. Obviously a sub .500 W/L record.

Paddy Moran - technique:
Moran was a stand-up style goaltender.[1] At 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m) and 180 lb (82 kg/12 st 12 lb), he was considered a big goaltender for his era.[5] In Moran's era, goaltenders were not allowed to drop down to the ice to make saves, so his style suited him well.[5] Moran was especially noted for his aggressive defense of the area in front of his net. He used his stick to slash opposing players within reach. Moran often chewed tobacco while on the ice, and another favorite tactic of his was to expectorate at opposing players.[6] Moran's stick work was described as attempts to "slash [other players'] heads off with lightning strokes of his blade".[7] Moran often wore oversized sweaters, claiming that they kept him warm in the cold arenas; however, he kept it unbuttoned, and often used to catch shots.

Moran's Stanley Cup record is misleading. The low GAA was against two Maritime challengers who were extremely weak competition. In his last season he was replaced by Sam Hebert with a dramatic shift in team fortunes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1916%E2...ng_goaltenders

During his career, Paddy Moran played < 200 games of pro or semi-pro hockey. Adjusting for season length does not work since the longer they play the worse bad goalies become. Paddy Moran was carried by teams that could score - Joe Malone and Jack McDonald. For his team to win they had to outscore the opposition.
Zambia Mania does not have scorers at forward or on defence.

Paddy Moran's hockey legacy is that of an uncouth, vulgar stick man with little talent to support his game.
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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 View Post
Jonathan Quick is one of the younger goaltenders in the MLD and one of the best.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...quickjo01.html

Already a SC winner, he is the only MLD goalie to win a Conn Smythe.

This was accomplished at an age when his opposition in the MLD,Paddy Moran, was struggling to keep his GAA under 10.00. Also in a short career, Jonathan Quick has played more games than Paddy Moran did in a 17 season career. Adjust for season length all you want but you cannot escape the following realities. Quick has internal competition - Jonathan Bernier and a willing minor league system and free agency system of goalies ready and willing to step-up should he falter.

Quick does not have to be carried by a high powered offence. .916 SV% during the regular season and a .926 SV% during the playoffs, improving to a .946 SV% during the Kings 2012 SC run. More telling in the Moran Quick comparison is that Moran never had a seasonal GAA under 3.00 while Jonathan Quick has never had a seasonal GAA over 3.00 if he played 10 or more games.

The Orfuns have the best goalie by far in this QF.

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