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09-09-2012, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dreakmur View Post
And what would the effect be? If all players would be impacted equally, then the rankings for that era just stay the same.... and Moran remains an elite goalie.

Al Rollins had two seasons with a respectable GAA. Both of those seasons were with the defensive juggernaught Maple Leafs. Once we went to a weaker team, his GAA was no longer respectable.

Dominik Hasek is the best goalie of all time. I don't think he should be the measuring stick, but he still played for defensive-minded teams.

Roy Worters was also an exceptional goalie, but he still only managed to put up a handful of seasons with a respectable GAA. He was regarded as an elite goalie, and maybe even the best of his time, but he often had poor GAAs.

As for the reason that Paddy Moran slipped to the MLD, I would say that it was simply a lack of knowledge about him. Now that a proper bio has been done on the guy, he'll never fall to the MLD again.

Especially when they prove how useless your raw stats are....

This draft ignores upside. There is no projection.
You don't know what the future holds any more than anybody else does. For that reason, it was decided long ago that the ATDs and MLDs will ignore any future a player may or may not have.

The fact that Quick will probably add to his resume over the next few years is meaningless. He hasn't done it yet, so we ignore it. That's why I said it's best to just assume they are dead.

The biographies that TDMM and I created show exactly what our players can do.

Here's your quick analysis of each team's top-6 forwards....

Vanek-Haynes-Ward vs. Courtnall-Pederson-Harris
- the centers are close, but Pederson's edge in offensive skills outweigh Haynes' well-rounded play
- Vanek is a much better scorer than Courtnall, and that's pretty much all they bring to the table
- Ward is much better than Harris in every aspect of the game I can think of

Sandford-Smith-Wiseman vs. Corson-Staal-Courtnall
- Smith's scoring power outweight's Staal's defensive skills
- Sandford and Corson are quite comparable
- Wiseman is a much better offensive player than Courtnall
Pontificating again.Unsupported pronouncements from the mount.

Yet you are projecting Moran back into the ATD and TDMM is projecting him as a possible top 40. The results are definitely set in advance. Soviet election style. Waste of time. Your contradictions are rather obvious.

Pederson also received Selke consideration a few times, brought toughness - 21 career fights and was a playmaker who had an incredible upward bump in his playoff performance.Big edge to Pederson.

Vanek is a slightly better goal scorer than Geoff Courtnall, nowhere near the playmaker that Courtnall was, Vanek G>A, Courtnall G<A. Courtnall was much better defensively and brought toughness and corner work, 9 seasons with 100+ PIMs. Vanek is slightly better than soft. Advantage Courtnall.

Ward, adjusted slightly better than Harris during the regular season but had a huge drop in his playoff performance.Raw, Ward RS 274PTS/527 games, PO 8PTS/36 games. Harris 558PTS/897 Games, 38PTS/ 71 PO games. No adjustment will change the significant drop in Ward's PO performance. Wash, slight edge Harris.

Sanford was a Boston Garden small rink performer. Supported by at least 2-3 HHOF quality defensemen - Boivin,Flaman,Quackenbush. Washed out in Detroit very quickly - bigger rink,moved to Chicago in a trade of washed up players and then left the NHL. Corson could skate and play effectively on a standard NHL rink. Big edge to Corson.

Donald Smith. Hockey journeyman, moved from team to team at the pro level almost every year. Your bio is full of contradictions. One quote calls him a clean player, yet one speaks of his fighting prowess and another mentions his stick swinging.

Most telling is that Lester Patrick wanted to cut his salary. Clear indication that his liabilities far out weighed his contributions. That he regularly changed teams supports this view. Staal may not have his scoring, since he never played with scoring linemates but he has played Kopitar at worst even head to head and is viewed as a keeper, something that no one could say about Donald Smith.

Russ Courtnall and Eddie Wiseman are a wash. Both could score, were good playmakers for RWs, solid defensively, could not be intimidated.

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