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09-10-2012, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Dreakmur View Post

As I said before (this post), when players played in the same league at the same time, there's no need to adjust.



What academic research needs to be done on your recent players? We have their statistsics. We have their voting records. We have read contemporary opinions and we've actually seen them play themselves. What's missing?

Academic research shows that Jonathan Quick had one amazing season, but nothing else of significance in a career than lasted only 4 seasons. You can play the victim card all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that many of your key players have career that are incomplete, and therefore short, and therefore less impressive.
Comparable is being made in an All-Time context. So the actual difference has to be viewed in a historic sense 1913-14 Lalonde / Smith vs 1961-62 Beliveau / Backstrom. Your claim is that Donald Smith is worthy of top two center status. Compared to the 1961-62 season when Ralph Backstrom - third line center had to step up for an injured Jean Beliveau. Adjusted to a full season Ralph Backstrom did the job. While Donald Smith did not. So he is not as worthy of top two center status as Backstrom was.

Re the young players or short career players. Again historic context.
Look at the impact Allan "Scotty" Davidson had in a two year NHA career and compact to the impact of young or short career players today. Discussed the Normie Smith vs Jonathan Quick situation. Then you have the various defensemen from the O6 era - Hy Buller, Hugh Bolton vs the young defensemen on various teams. - Drew Doughty, Mike Green, Erik Karlsson, Kris Letang.

Then we have the active ATD players. Crosby, Stamkos, Malkin, Ovechkin,. Similar career length as the MLD draftees that you have a bias against. Is the talent/ achievement gap between Crosby and Jordan Staal or Kopitar greater than the talent gap between Bobby Hull and Ed Sandford?, Howie Morenz and Paul Haynes? Is the talent / achievement gap between Nicklas Lidstrom and Erik Karlsson greater than the same gap between Doug Harvey and Hugh Bolton?

Again your points are not based on such analysis supported by research but they are the result of an age bias.

No comprehension issues. Just a recognition of major flaws in your positions.

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