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09-11-2012, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Holden Caulfield View Post
This advanced stats thing is going too far on these boards, IMO. I thought I loved to stats, but man they are not the end all. Esspecially with 6 games, as you said. Hell did Gagnon even HAVE the puck for more than 5 seconds altogether? How do you get results out of that?

The eye test clearly reveals Gagnon was nowhere close to an NHL player. He could not make any plays, he could barely keep up to the damn play. And that was on top of being sheltered. He was awful in defensive zone coverages, got pushed around, did not make passes he needed too. He worked his ass off, but when you don't have the talent it doesn't matter at the NHL level.

McArdell could at least get after players and throw hits. He had decent enough wheels, and could hit. Nothing else at all, he was clearly nowhere close to NHL calibre either, but helluva lot more than Gagnon ever brought to the table. Do really think weak, slow handed Gagnon is going to be good at faceoffs at the NHL level? Really? Gimme a break.

Machacek is physical, likes to grind, wins board battles, decent getting the puck out (not great), scoring touch (obviously his stats were flukey last year, but has been top 3 on his team in goals the past 4 seasons in AHL), just average skater. He is perfect bottom 6 guy that can fill in in top 6 if needed, IMO. If he is given a real chance to play (Noel is freaking terrible with giving players ACTUAL chances to prove that they can play), he will be a fan favourite and key role player on this team I have no doubt. And Gagnon, if by some stupid miracle for him (not Jets fans), makes the team, he will be hated and derided as completely useless. Quote me on it if you want.
I said the numbers meant nothing, so I am not sure how that is taking things too far?

As for the eye test, your eye test isn't final and is no way more or less valid than a small sample of data. I didn't think Gagnon played that poorly, per my own eye test. I thought the main difference was puck luck. The both generated about a shot per game. Neither guy blew me away.

I also said I like Mach better.

My point was that none of them are anything special and to me and claims that management would be a complete failure for picking one over the other is a little dramatic. Guess what, they did call up Gagnon at one point last year. He played seven games. It really doesn't mean anything and it didn't mean Chevy can't evaluate talent.

As for McArdel, he wasn't good enough to stick with a bad Florida team or a very shallow Jets team last year. I love his speed and his ability to hit, but he is kinda bad at hockey. He was also born in 87. There isn't much room for growth there.

Mach > Gag > Ken but I don't give a darn who gets called up first. I don't see anything all that special in any of them. Again, I do think Mach has slightly more upside, but Chevy isn't a failure if he brings up Gagnon because he is more useful on the PK.

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