MLD 2012 Montagu Allan QF: Zambia Mania vs. Montreal Orfuns
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09-12-2012, 04:33 PM
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Though the case may be pronounced close, I'd just like to non-confrontationally comment to follow-up...in order...
- The Habs defense was pretty good in 2008 on paper...this is before Komisarek sucks remember...maybe a mediocre team, but the defensive depth was rather good on paper I feel...
- Yeah, a lot of what I said was just based on my memory, didn't check stats really in any great depth (minus that Islander year), especially advanced stuff...figured you'd use it to either confirm or question what I said...it seems that Streit spent a good amount of time at forward which jives with my memory of Streit's time in Montreal...
- Yeah Streit was used differently in Montreal than on the Islanders. Markov was known to be the #1 guy that does it all...Streit could be moved all over the place and spark the offense...he wasn't counted on for defense and didn't provide very much of it...that changed when the expectations of him changed on Long Island...
- I'm not sure how it breaks down, but I would guess that as the year went on, Streit played against better competition more and more...again this is my memory hoping that numbers back me up though...as I remember it, Witt just couldn't skate with these guys anymore...I mean, come on, Witt vs. Crosby in 2008 or 2009 or whenever, Witt would get back just in time to pull the puck out of the net...I thought Witt was moved down the lineup as the year went on and Streit took on more heartier portions as he gained confidence with being a #1 guy and playing like one...could be mistaken, but that's how I think it went...
- The GAAon vs. GAAoff doesn't do a ton for me without context (no fault of yours, just overall indifference to numbers in instances where I saw what happened)...and with the Isles goaltending in recent years, it's unclear what can be chalked up to just "this guy happened to be out there for yet another bad goal"...a little bit of luck involved in this special circumstance...having the GAA of the team go down when he's out there is a major improvement from his time in Montreal (when the inverse was true according to what you dug up, yes?). To wit, the only player I remember being better defensively on that team was Martinek (who was very good)...Streit improved noticeably...not sure what the numbers say but if Martinek and Streit are considered 1 and 2 as the best defensive players on that team than it jives with what I saw on the ice...
- @ #4. How did it happen? Start in the zone, 20 seconds in the zone, no partner (or even quality forwards) to keep the puck in the zone opposite of Streit (who isn't very strong anyway), end of the shift going the other way, shot on net, whistle...Streit out, Martinek in for the defensive zone draw, puck out of the zone, dumped in offensively...change...not sure...I'm not sure of it's of overall importance either...
- Since Streit became a sure, full-time d-man (not a weird specialist type player like he was in Montreal, I don't count that in this case) he has blown the doors off of Rozsival even at his absolute best. I'm not sure what numbers suggest otherwise, but I would highly question them. Streit has always been significantly better than Rozsival offensively...and defensively, Rozsival is no prize pig either...average at his peak...doesn't move his feet well enough when attacked in transition, stops moving and reaches, reknowned for his ability to trip opponents in the 5 feet on either side of the blueline...when he was this "go-to guy" (not sure I recall that), he must have been told to go to the box a lot too...
- I value balanced players as much (maybe more) than the next guy...believe me...been a coach for a number of years, ranging from "rather" to "very" defensive-minded. Not that it justifies my position on Streit (wasn't designed to) but I'm very, very aware of quality defensive players and their value (see: my rants on Byfuglien getting Norris votes over Enstrom, etc.).
- Redden after Ottawa was nothing special...career value, is a matter for the courts, I'm assuming Redden would win...it seemed like Streit was used in a wonky matter in Montreal...I don't necessarily fault him for that...Streit probably would have improved the Devils, even though Martin was really good for them...Martin was a very good puck carrier that replaced Scott Gomez, and Streit could have done the same thing...wasn't quite as good defensively, but the Devils would have had his back I theorize...may have cost Oduya some ice time, but they could have supported him...because he is far, far from a liability...
- @TDMM - same for me, the only one that made me think for a second was Martin...that was close...ain't close no more, is it...
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