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09-14-2012, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieGirl View Post

Are you trying to tell me you believe Subban is an elite, reliable defenseman?

Let me help - Giroux plays the PK and he's far from strong defensively.
I don't recall saying subban is elite defensively. You said "he's not reliable defensively".

I responded saying he's a key PK contributer on one of the best units league wide. Obviously, I'll agree that it's only a piece and not really indicative of a player's true defensive game. Unfortunately im on my phone so I can't find the other info right now. Basically subban's advanced stats are favorable towards him being a two-way presence on the ice.

I'd easily argue he's a top pairing d man right now. I won't argue #1 vs #2 on a team but he's clearly top 2. He's #1 on the habs and in teams like Boston who have chara, he'd be #2. Maybe some teams have super depth and he'd be #3(for instance last years predators).

In any case, my message isn't to suggest you need PK or you should trade for him. Just discussing what subban is right now.

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