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09-17-2012, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Canadian Airlines View Post
WAY too much money, but Boston set the bar for these types of players with the Marchand and Lucic overpayments.

He needs to start playing better. He has been very underwhelming for the most part. Yes, he scored 30 goals one year, but he's extremely streaky, selfish and one-dimensional. He has all the tools, now we get to see if he can put them together.
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Originally Posted by EpicGingy View Post
He's shown steady improvement throughout 3 years, and he got 30 goals as a 20 year-old.

He's going to be worth this price, if Scheifele reaches his potential, that'll make Kane light it up. And hasn't somebody on this board posted some stats that shows Kane isn't one-dimensional?

I think it was Truck, not entirely sure, though.
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Originally Posted by Potrzebie View Post
Garret is usually the man with the stats for all occasions.
Not sure if this is what you meant from my Jets statistical analysis thread (available to all of you on the second page):
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Originally Posted by garret9 View Post
Individual Analysis
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Kane: Does he have an attitude? Maybe. Can he score? 1.26 5v5 G/60 says heck yes. Ironically he is constantly gets type-casted as one-dimensional, yet he’s statistically proven to elevate the players around him, decently produces A/60 and has historically done well on the penalty kill. The role he plays is the role that has been given to him and he does it well...

But ask and ye shall receive... I'll make one special for here:


Comparing Kane against his peers:
For all LW, Kane was 23rd in pts, 14th in goals, 30th in assists.
For all LW 5v5 */60 with +30 GP he comes 10th in p/60, 5th in g/60 (Neal was 9th), and 42nd for a1/60.
For the entire NHL (regardless of position and TOI) Kane had the most shots on net at even strength.
This tells me he's an elite scoring LW - if he sustains this and being a shot volume guy, especially so much and at a young age, means he most likely will -.


Now let's look at the 5v5 advance stats (most people here start groaning):
NamePOS GP TOI/60 CORSION CORSIQoC OZS G/60 A1/60 A2/60 P/60
EKANE LW 74 14.74 06.21 -0.736 57.6 1.26 0.55 0.60 2.42
RelToTeam LW 74 04 06 11 05 01 05 02 01
*RelToTeam is his placement for all forwards who played 30+ games on the Jets
He has solid Corsi and point production but has been predominately facing third line forwards and second line pairing. It should be noted, Kane's production did not drop when he was facing tougher competition with his time on the top line.


Okay so we all know Kane can generate shots and scoring but what about being "one-dimensional":
Let's take a look at 2010-2011 season in Atlanta where Kane was used on the PK:
NamePOS GP CORSION RelCorsi
EKANE LW 73 02 01
Given enough PK minutes, Kane and Wheeler would of been Atlanta's best PK tandem... Although this year Burmistrov and Ladd blew those past numbers out of the water (ie: they were even better).


One of my ultimate favourite things to look at is With/Without you stats. Looking at how a teammate's corsi or +/- can change with or without a player:
NameGF%withPOS GF%without CF%with CF%withouti
ABURMISTROV 0.562 0.476 0.550 0.506
BWHEELER 0.625 0.439 0.520 0.539
KWELLWOOD 0.552 0.543 0.577 0.544
BLITTLE 0.640 0.514 0.520 0.545
0.500 means even so >0.500 would be good for Jets.
Without Kane means they were most likely with Ladd, and if anyone says Ladd is a one-dimensional player than... yea, get out...
To get similar (sometimes better) results than Ladd would suggest that he is very unlikely to be one-dimensional.


Final Synopsis:
Kane is already an elite scorer and will likely maintain these figures (as shown by his high shot volume) for a while sitting at mid 30s for goals over the next few years. Not bad for someone who spent most of his ice time with Burmi, Welly/Antro, Stuart, Bogosian as a 5 piece.
For next season I hope he spends one more season on the second line with Jokinen-Welly/Burmi to further refine his game and take advantage playing against bottom6 grinding forwards, but I also hope Noel places Jokinen and Kane on the 1st PP line with Wheeler.
For not-so-distant future I see Kane as our undisputed 1st line LW. He will likely be mid-to-high 30's goal scorer who could pass 40 in solid PP years.


Oh and PS.... Streaky is just as bad as a term as it gets. Super subjective. Think about this: Parise vs Jokinen. Yes we all know Parise is a better player but one is called streaky while the other is called consistent... yet they had similar points-per-game and similar scoring droughts (in both number and duration). For Jets fans you could change the names to Wellwood and Antropov and also get the same thing (in fact they were almost identical).


Last edited by garret9: 09-17-2012 at 09:38 AM. Reason: had all my tables in quotes... oops
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