The Armchair GM Thread - Part XXX - Naughty Edition
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09-28-2012, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by
Drop the Sopel
If you want to strictly look at production and ignore games played(which I said I don't agree is the best indicator) than David Booth has been a top 6 forward once in the last 3 years and 3 times in his 6 year career. So calling him a top 6 'tweener' by definition would be right on point.
Not to mention, I never said Booth isn't a top 6 forward, just that I don't think he's a particularly good one. Pitseleh's numbers further reinforced this - never mind that I believe his defensive game isn't as strong as his offensive one.
You said this:
I would peg his value as very low,
not far from waiver territorry
So how is a player that is a legit 2nd liner not far from waiver territory? These two points do not coexist. Calling him a 2nd liner explicitly states that he has value to an NHL team.
Looking at production across the league, over a 5 yr sample, normalizes the impact injuries has on the data. It better lets us determine what constitutes top6 points totals on average. That said, we know that Booth was injured in 2 of his past 3 seasons. We have to factor that in when evaluating him alone.
You're using Booth's low end totals to prove your case. When in fairness, you should be using the average... at the very least. Booth's high end is a G/60 that rivals Rick Nash, and a defense that allows the lowest shots against per 60 on the team (adjusted for zone starts). This guy actually can score like a 1st liner. Granted, he's not going to benefit from higher assist totals, but then if he had that, we'd be talking about how Gillis swindled a 1st liner for scraps, instead of a very good and young 2nd liner.
If all you want out of the Canucks 2nd line forwards is 34 points than I can see why we disagree here. From where I sit that's just not good enough on a team with an excellent puck moving defense that plays a very aggressive offensive style.
What an outlandish claim to say that Booth isn't far from waiver territory even though he returned absolutely nothing a calendar year ago coming off an 82 game season. I would offer just about as much value in trade for David Booth as I would for David Jones - very very little.
Again, your valuation of Booth based on what he was traded for is still quite amusing. I'm sure this has got to be an exact science.
What I want most out of Booth is for him to score at a 1st line rate. As in, get back to doing this. Everything else is secondary, including his assist totals. The nice two-way play is also a bonus. Like Hornqvist in Nashville, I'm just fine with sub-50 point totals if a big chunk of those are goals. Essentially, a faux 1st line scorer getting 2nd line money...
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