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If that's what you consider "busted".....
Almost all of the top prospects for those 4 teams were in the NHL at the beginning of their 3rd year post draft, before their ELC's stopped sliding.

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Sure it's "beneficial". What it is not is normal.
It's perfectly normal for top prospects. Depth prospects and prospects with lower ceilings tend to take longer.

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So your point is by the same stage they tended to have 20 or less more NHL games played than Kadri?
No, what I'm saying is that they made the NHL permanently and Kadri didn't. Because playing 70+ games in 1 season usually means that you've made the league. Whereas, playing 20-25 games over multiple seasons doesn't usually indicate any sort of permanence.

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To summarize, as stated, Kadri is falling right within the norm for the range he is selected in.
Perhaps for the disappoints, but successful top-10 1st rounders are in the NHL by their 3rd year post draft and in many cases; before then.

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Define "successful".

A prospects who becomes an impact player. This is exactly the reason that I was trying not to talk about players like Brayden Schenn... we should be looking at how actual impact players developed. Working with projections of what Schenn, Kadri or Hodgson are supposed to become is idiotic when they are legit impact players in their mid-20's whose development paths we can measure towards a known outcome.


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Like the rest, he's played a handful more NHL games than Kadri at the same stage and had lower production (despite being picked higher). Holding him up as an example against someone who has posted nearly identical everything is just humourous.
Look, I really don't see that value in bringing up other unproven players.

However, there are significant differences between these two players:
- Schenn is almost a full year (10.5 months) younger than Kadri.
- He has a much better all-round game.
- He destroyed Kadri's production level in the CHL and AHL.
- He finished the NHL season with 6 points in 7 games and then 9 points in 11 playoff games.
- The only move Philly made this summer was to clear a top-6 spot (by trading JVR), while the only move Toronto made to fill one.

We can reasonably assume that Schenn would be in the NHL, wouldn't get benched for irresponsible play and looks primed for an offensive breakout. In contrast, there's little indication as to whether Kadri would have made the Leafs this year or not.

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