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10-06-2012, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Martini View Post
Link to these articles and books? Hopefully you provide something other then the book written by the hack who wrote the Blue Line.

Which is, compared to other sports...nothing.

Which is nothing compared to the Bulls and Bears, both of which play in the winter at the exact same time as the Hawks. Now, even though its an excuse, but the Cubs were horribad and nobody watches the White Sox. The Hawks, coming off of a Cup win a couple years ago and still a playoff team beating a team that used to draw 8.0's but are in such horrific shape I wouldnt blame anybody or force even my worst enemy to watch the Flubs the way they are structured at the moment, is the best the Hawks can do?They should be dominating TV and the interests of the sport fans in Chicago yet arent. A Derrick Rose-less Bulls team will safely put up 6's while the Hawks, if they even play this year, will be putting up comfortable 2.5's everybody will point to as some sort of win refering to the ratings of last year not understanding that those numbers, locally, mind you, are terrible.Reruns of the Simpsons draw 4.0 locally, just as a reference.
Bsaeball? Baseball's TV contract is far beyond the NHL dollar wise and more ad revenue considering more people watch baseball. How is that bad?


And you can go back minutes with Rocky saying he is losing money. Your point?

And with a Cup, they are still an after thought in the city. Your point, again?

Oh, the 40 million dollars Rocky took out? Was this after the internet took off? I think so. But again, it still didnt stop Bill Wirtz from not televising home games, nor did televising home games suddenly make Rocky money.

Okay, you're just being nonsensical at this point. In the course of your posts, you've defended the elder Wirtz for not letting Hawks games be on TV because it wouldn't make enough money to make it worthwhile and yet still admitted that making some money off TV is better than nothing (not to mention putting an unnecessary hassle on fans that actually want to follow the team on TV), complained about Hawks local TV ratings despite being on par if not higher than two more popular teams in Chicago just because they're not as popular as two other more popular teams, provided no evidence to back up any of your claims while requiring other people to do the legwork for you for universally agreed upon facts, likened to the current ownership fibbing about losing money to the previous ownership actually losing money in droves due to lacking a TV contract and drawing for **** at the gate with significantly lower ticket prices than now, and completely ignored how much more popular the Blackhawks have gotten over the past several years largely due the Rocky and McD abandoning the idiotic policies of Dollar Bill.

Nothing you're saying makes sense, and a lot of what you're saying is incredibly inconsistent, too.

As for proof, fine....

Rocky's father, Bill Wirtz, ran the team from 1966 until his death in 2007. Earlier in 2007, Bill Wirtz told the Toronto Star that he had lost $191 million on the team in the last 10 years, including $31 million in the 2006-07 season.

Business and other organizational ineptitude leading the Hawks to be named the worst franchise in all sports (opinion, of course):

The Blackhawks’ transformation from moribund franchise to elite team is a repudiation of Bill Wirtz’s old-school, pre-free agency style of doing business, which made him increasingly unpopular with fans. He would not televise home games and stuck stubbornly to an ancient ticket policy that crimped team revenue.
“I’d say, ‘Dad, we’re losing generations of fans by not televising home games,’ ” he said. “He said it wouldn’t be fair to our fans with season tickets. But we’d gotten down to 3,400 season tickets, which meant maybe 1,500 to 1,700 fans. So we weren’t televising home games for 1,700 people? Why bang your head against the wall?”
He had to use $40 million in family business money to finance players’ salaries through the 2006-7 season. Fans had been abandoning the team for years; attendance was lingering close to the bottom of the league.

The transformation of the Hawks from a joke to a profitable (albeit lying about said profits) team with a championship under their team was downright meteoric. The Hawks are going to be pointed at for years as the premier example of a sports franchise managing to turn things around in astonishingly fast fashion. Ignoring that is just laughable.

The Hawks are #5 in Chicago right now..... a few years ago, they probably weren't even in the top 20 most popular teams in any sport in their own town. Heck, the freaking AHL Wolves were more popular than the Hawks.

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