Kessel to the ducks
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10-08-2012, 11:58 PM
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First of all, Boston's PP wasn't at 17%, but was operating at 23.6% (#4 in the league). Kessel is one of the better PP goal scorers over the past 3 seasons (5 PP goals off from being top 5). What you're totally ignoring is the quality of teammates for Kessel..In 08-09, Kessel's ES teammate Savard had 30 PP points, but Phil was one of the least used Boston PP forwards. Fast forward a few years to Phil's PPG season, he only puts up an 8 point PP improvement (albeit still top 20 amongst NHL forwards) compared to his breakout season in Boston. And that's with him playing a full minute more on the PP.
Phil had a similar PP production improvement in his PPG season compared to his first season with the Leafs, and that's with a decrease in PP time. Ofcourse, the difference here being a higher quality of teammates (Lupul, Phaneuf..). Not sure why it's unreasonable to assume he would see a similar degree of improvement with a guy like Getzlaf around, who's been amongst the league leaders in PP and ES production himself.
Oops. Was looking at the wrong year... still doesn't change my argument. You're trying to transplant Kessel's production onto Ryan, when they played on completely different teams. You're saying Ryan wouldn't get a boost from being on the 1st PP because Kessel didn't. My mistake with Boston just further points that out. A successful PP is going to have a more significant impact on his production. In Kessel's case, his PP TOI suggests he was on the 2nd PP unit. His 15 PP points put him at 5th, amongst forwards on Boston. The leading PP producer, as you mentioned, was Savard with 30.
So, yes, fast forward to today. He gets a full minute more on the PP. Now, you're saying he only had an 8 point increase, which isn't that much... but he also lead his team in PP points, with 23,
scoring has continued to go down since the lockout. This is another example if you trying to make one team the same as another, and going further, one season the same as another.
The only team that matters, in this argument, is Anaheim. The only seasons where Bobby Ryan's PP numbers came close to the top 3 forwards(Selanne, Perry, and Getzlaf), were the seasons he spent some time on the 1st PP unit due to injuries. Trying to tell me that Bobby Ryan's numbers shouldn't take a nice jump, because of someone on a completely different team with completely different players is a bit absurd.
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