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Originally Posted by BM67

There are a number of factors that have to be adjusted for, not just one or two.

In the case of Brodeur, we have: Shot under counting at home (lower SV%), the low number of PP faced (higher SV%), his non puck stopping skills (stick handling, rebound control, poke checking) impact on the game (lower SV%, fewer SOG, ??? unknowns like impact of fewer faceoffs)

Here's one factor that is across the board, home vs road split.


Brodeur has played 7584 more career road minutes than Roy, but only 2218 more home minutes.

I'm not saying that save percentage is perfect by any means (another factor being whether or not a goalie is comfortable playing in a shot-blocking system or needs to make the first-shot saves to get into a groove), but I also don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


As for the career adjusted playoff save percentage, as much as I appreciate HockeyOutsider's work, I would have preferred he adjusted to the league average save percentage and not the playoff average save percentage for reasons I have expressed in that thread and elsewhere.

Also, especially when it comes to playoffs, it's not just about cumulative performance in a given Spring. We may fawn over Hasek's .940 in the 1994 playoffs, but I believe it is just as useful to recall that their were two games in that series in which Hasek put on an statistically-objective below-average performance. It's not enough to have a high cumulative number on the back of one 70-save game - it needs to be high all-across the series to advance.

Year	GP	GPA	GPB	PCT	+/-	Playoff	GP	GPA	GPB	PCT	+/-
Patrick Roy, Career	1020	661	359	64.8%	302		246	169	77	68.7%	92
Dominik Hasek, Career	730	473	257	64.8%	216		118	79	39	66.9%	40
Martin Brodeur, Career	1186	672	514	56.7%	158		205	124	81	60.5%	43

Year	GP	GPA	GPB	PCT	+/-	Playoff	GP	GPA	GPB	PCT	+/-
Patrick Roy, 1986	44	26	18	59.1%	8		20	17	3	85.0%	14
Patrick Roy, 1987	46	29	17	63.0%	12		6	3	3	50.0%	0
Patrick Roy, 1988	45	30	15	66.7%	15		7	4	3	57.1%	1
Patrick Roy, 1989	47	33	14	70.2%	19		19	17	2	89.5%	15
Patrick Roy, 1990	54	41	13	75.9%	28		11	7	4	63.6%	3
Patrick Roy, 1991	48	32	16	66.7%	16		13	7	6	53.8%	1
Patrick Roy, 1992	66	51	15	77.3%	36		11	5	6	45.5%	-1
Patrick Roy, 1993	62	36	26	58.1%	10		20	19	1	95.0%	18
Patrick Roy, 1994	68	45	23	66.2%	22		6	3	3	50.0%	0
Patrick Roy, 1995	43	23	20	53.5%	3
Patrick Roy, 1996	61	39	22	63.9%	17		22	15	7	68.2%	8
Patrick Roy, 1997	62	43	19	69.4%	24		17	11	6	64.7%	5
Patrick Roy, 1998	65	35	30	53.8%	5		7	5	2	71.4%	3
Patrick Roy, 1999	61	39	22	63.9%	17		19	12	7	63.2%	5
Patrick Roy, 2000	62	39	23	62.9%	16		17	12	5	70.6%	7
Patrick Roy, 2001	60	36	24	60.0%	12		23	17	6	73.9%	11
Patrick Roy, 2002	63	43	20	68.3%	23		21	12	9	57.1%	3
Patrick Roy, 2003	63	41	22	65.1%	19		7	3	4	42.9%	-1
Dominik Hasek, 1991	3	2	1	66.7%	1		3	2	1	66.7%	1
Dominik Hasek, 1992	18	11	7	61.1%	4		3	2	1	66.7%	1
Dominik Hasek, 1993	28	16	12	57.1%	4		1	1	0	100.0%	1
Dominik Hasek, 1994	57	42	15	73.7%	27		7	5	2	71.4%	3
Dominik Hasek, 1995	41	30	11	73.2%	19		5	1	4	20.0%	-3
Dominik Hasek, 1996	59	40	19	67.8%	21
Dominik Hasek, 1997	68	49	19	72.1%	30		3	2	1	66.7%	1
Dominik Hasek, 1998	72	47	25	65.3%	22		15	12	3	80.0%	9
Dominik Hasek, 1999	64	50	14	78.1%	36		19	14	5	73.7%	9
Dominik Hasek, 2000	35	22	13	62.9%	9		5	3	2	60.0%	1
Dominik Hasek, 2001	66	39	27	59.1%	12		12	9	3	75.0%	6
Dominik Hasek, 2002	65	37	28	56.9%	9		23	15	8	65.2%	7
Dominik Hasek, 2004	14	8	6	57.1%	2
Dominik Hasek, 2006	43	31	12	72.1%	19
Dominik Hasek, 2007	56	31	25	55.4%	6		18	11	7	61.1%	4
Dominik Hasek, 2008	41	18	23	43.9%	-5		4	2	2	50.0%	0
Martin Brodeur, 1992	4	2	2	50.0%	0		1	0	1	0.0%	-1
Martin Brodeur, 1994	47	31	16	66.0%	15		17	14	3	82.4%	11
Martin Brodeur, 1995	40	24	16	60.0%	8		20	11	9	55.0%	2
Martin Brodeur, 1996	77	44	33	57.1%	11
Martin Brodeur, 1997	67	45	22	67.2%	23		10	7	3	70.0%	4
Martin Brodeur, 1998	70	40	30	57.1%	10		6	5	1	83.3%	4
Martin Brodeur, 1999	70	34	36	48.6%	-2		7	1	6	14.3%	-5
Martin Brodeur, 2000	72	44	28	61.1%	16		23	15	8	65.2%	7
Martin Brodeur, 2001	72	38	34	52.8%	4		25	13	12	52.0%	1
Martin Brodeur, 2002	73	37	36	50.7%	1		6	5	1	83.3%	4
Martin Brodeur, 2003	73	39	34	53.4%	5		24	18	6	75.0%	12
Martin Brodeur, 2004	70	40	30	57.1%	10		5	2	3	40.0%	-1
Martin Brodeur, 2006	73	39	34	53.4%	5		9	6	3	66.7%	3
Martin Brodeur, 2007	78	46	32	59.0%	14		11	6	5	54.5%	1
Martin Brodeur, 2008	77	52	25	67.5%	27		5	1	4	20.0%	-3
Martin Brodeur, 2009	31	20	11	64.5%	9		7	5	2	71.4%	3
Martin Brodeur, 2010	77	43	34	55.8%	9		5	1	4	20.0%	-3
Martin Brodeur, 2011	56	27	29	48.2%	-2
Martin Brodeur, 2012	59	27	32	45.8%	-5		24	14	10	58.3%	4

10 Best Seasons - Quality Games Percentage
1. Hasek, 1999; 50-14 (78.1%)
2. Roy, 1992; 51-15 (77.3%)
3. Roy, 1990; 41-13 (75.9%)
4. Hasek, 1994; 42-15 (73.7%)
5. Hasek, 1995; 30-11 (73.2%)
6. Hasek, 2006; 31-12 (72.1%)
7. Hasek, 1997; 49-19 (72.1%)
8. Roy, 1989; 33-14 (70.2%)
9. Roy, 1997; 43-19 (69.4%)
10. Roy, 2002; 43-20 (68.3%)

10 Best Seasons - Net Quality Games
1. Hasek, 1999; 50-14 (36)
1. Roy, 1992; 51-15 (36)
3. Hasek, 1997; 49-19 (30)
4. Roy, 1990; 41-13 (28)
5. Hasek, 1994; 42-15 (27)
5. Brodeur, 2008; 52-25 (27)
7. Roy, 1997; 43-19 (24)
8. Roy, 2002; 43-20 (23)
8. Brodeur, 1997; 45-22 (23)
10. Roy, 1994; 45-23 (22)
10. Hasek, 1998; 47-25 (22)


10 Best Playoffs - Quality Games Percentage
1. Roy, 1993; 19-1 (95.0%)
2. Roy, 1989; 17-2 (89.5%)
3. Roy, 1986; 17-3 (85.0%)
4. Brodeur, 1998; 5-1 (83.3%)
4. Brodeur, 2002; 5-1 (83.3%)
6. Brodeur, 1994; 14-3 (82.4%)
7. Hasek, 1998; 12-3 (80.0%)
8. Brodeur, 2003; 18-6 (75.0%)
8. Hasek, 2001; 9-3 (75.0%)
10. Roy, 2001; 17-6 (73.9%)

10 Best Playoffs - Net Quality Games
1. Roy, 1993; 19-1 (18)
2. Roy, 1989; 17-2 (15)
3. Roy, 1986; 17-3 (14)
4. Brodeur, 2003; 18-6 (12)
5. Brodeur, 1994; 14-3 (11)
5. Roy, 2001; 17-6 (11)
7. Hasek, 1998; 12-3 (9)
7. Hasek, 1999; 14-5 (9)
9. Roy, 1996; 15-7 (8)
10. Roy, 2000; 12-5 (7)
10. Brodeur, 2000; 15-8 (7)
10. Hasek, 2002; 15-8 (7)