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10-15-2012, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BraveCanadian View Post
Really?
Yeah, not sure what’s controversial about this?

Remove the 1995 Habs, sure. That leaves 17 of 18.

Montreal was consistently a top-5/6 team in the league from 1986-1994, narrowly missing the President’s Trophy in 1988 and 1989. They posted dominant numbers with Brian Hayward in net for most of that stretch. Went 17-5 in front of Andre Raicicot in 1992-93. That was a good team.

Colorado 1996-2003 there isn’t really even an argument.

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Originally Posted by seventieslord View Post
What you’re saying is mostly true; however, Roy did outperform his backups by significant amounts so the level of success they’d have had without him would have been significantly less. Hasek is the only goalie in history who outperformed his backups by a considerably larger margin.
Roy out-performed his backups but his team usually had a hell of a winning % no matter who was in net.

I don’t think there can be any argument whatsoever that Roy’s situation was *far* more conducive to winning than Hasek’s was.

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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe View Post
Hasek lost in the 1994 first round because his team couldn't score, something that could be said for Martin Brodeur in his team's early losses in 1997 and 1998.

Buffalo's offense came alive in the playoffs in 1997 (where it was good enough to carry Steve Shields to the second round), 1998, and 1999.
In 1998, the Sabres scored 11 goals in 6 games against Washington.

In 1999, the Sabres scored 9 goals in 6 games against Dallas.

Both of those series were practically unwinnable. He held the opposition to 2 or less goals in regulation 10 times in 12 games.

Again, in both of those seasons he was providing Conn Smythe-level utterly elite goaltending – as good as what Roy did – but his team just utterly crapped out offensively to kill their playoff runs. Frankly, it’s slightly surprising he didn’t win the Conn Smythe anyway in 1999 as his playoffs were only slightly off of Giguere’s 2003.

As brilliant as Roy was, he always received excellent (and consistent) goal support in his long playoff runs. Hasek did not. This is the problem with saying that Roy is better based on playoff resume.

As someone else already posted, Hasek’s playoff numbers are actually *better* than Roy’s during the stretch where both were #1 netminders.

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