Dominik Hasek retires, what is the legacy?
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10-15-2012, 04:58 PM
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Czech Your Math
You refuse to see or acknowledge the evidence which contradicts your pre-formed conclusion.
No, I refuse to acknowledge the use of adjusted stats at face value that your "peak" argument is based on.
Sure, Lemieux was better before and during '93. From '95 on, Jagr is as good or better at ES. I don't put too much into Lemieux's post-'97 numbers, because after that he played no more than 91 games in consecutive seasons. For instance, in 2001, he plays about half the season with Jagr on his line. The other half of the season, Jagr plays without Lemieux. Who would you expect to have the better PPG? When a player can barely play the majority of a season, if he's fortunate, then he's not going to be nearly as valuable as a similar player who can play the vast majority of every season. Give Jagr a couple seasons off to rest... tell him he only has to play half the season... and give him Lemieux on his line when he does play (but make Lemieux play without Jagr the other half), and I'm confident who would have had the best PPG.
Jagr was clearly better at ES on a career basis, simply due to durability and longevity. In their prime, it's closer, but I'd probably give the edge to Jagr, again simply due to durability. On a peak basis, it's about even, although Lemieux clearly has the better single season on a per game basis. As previously stated, the PPG of a single season in which Lemieux played 60 games isn't exactly definitive evidence that he was better at his peak ('93 also being an atypically good year for top scorers).
You may now re-insert your fingers in your ears and resume ignoring the facts. LALLALLALAL
The only thing I disagree with you on is peak and I showed exactly how Lemieux was more prolific at even strength from 88/89-92/93 than Jagr ever was.
Jagr's absolute peak in 95/96 only equals Mario's lowest year during the 5 years I cited.
If anyone has their ears plugged, it's you since I have never argued overall or career even once. Peak is the only thing I have been talking about and the only "evidence" you have to refute this are Jagr's
from the late 90's.
I watched both of their career's from the beginning and all I'm saying is that Jagr didn't reach the same level that Mario did in the late 80's/early 90's at even strength, special teams or anything.
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