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10-19-2012, 05:13 PM
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You nailed it in my opinion.
These CBA negotiations aren't just about the owners having to protect themselves from themselves. It is as much about the owners trying to protect themselves from agents and players who do in fact manipulate the market.
The biggest hold up in this whole thing (aside from the NHLPA negotiating with a vendetta from seven years ago, stop living in the past please.), in my opinion, is that the players and the NHLPA do not want to admit that they are as much of a problem as the owners. The owners, in my opinion, have SOMEWHAT approached that subject with the new clause that keeps teams and GM's on the hook for bad contracts even after the player has moved on. They've also approached it with the new eligibility for revenue sharing of teams who were not formally involved. They could do more certainly, but it's a very good start.
To me that was an admission of, "Yea we messed that up." and we are taking preventative measures.
The players, however, have approached these negotiations, and are STILL approaching these negotiations as an innocent victim to the big bad owners wanting more money. ANY talk of concession is blasphemous to them because they feel that they have done absolutely nothing wrong.
You can't be as big a part of the game (and by 'game' I mean money, contracts, and negotiations) as players and agents are and NOT consider yourself part of the problem that now faces many financially struggling teams.
I know people will just say, well if the owners don't want to get in financial trouble then they shouldn't sign bad contracts. Well then you need to ask yourself how do you stay competitive? If you are Phoenix, or Nashville, or Florida, then how do you outbid the New York, Philadelphias and Montreals of the world? You don't. You then lose ticket sales due to lack of success and you have a forever widening gap of have and have-nots, then the NHL becomes the NBA where the same teams are successful every single season because they can throw money around at players that other GMs owners and teams can't even dream of.
The Shea Weber situation was almost certainly the straw that broke the camels back, and a situation that, in a microcosm, effectively sums up the problem.
Nashville can not compete with Philly financially. Philly knew that, Nashville knew that, Shea Weber knew that. Nashville tried to offer Weber a contract that A) didn't hurt the team in the long run, B) allowed them to have cap space to sign SOME other quality players. Philadelphia saw the opportunity and tried to steal Weber away with an offer sheet. Weber accepted the offer sheet in an effort to drive up his own price.
Who's really at fault here? Philadelphia and Shea Weber. Sure you can argue that Weber was just trying to get paid, and deserved that sort of money. However, where is the justice and good faith from both the upper echelon team AND Shea Weber and his agent to help a have-not sort of team? Where is the integrity? Weber knew what he was doing, as did Doughty, as did Penner in 07' and Vanek back when he accepted the sheet from Edmonton. It should have never been offered by Philly, and it should have never been accepted by Weber. Both of those actions put an exclamation point on players and larger market teams handcuffing small market teams. If the players refuse to recognize that the actions of a Shea Weber are wrong and instead point all the blame on Philadelphia nothing will ever get done. That's currently where we are.
I think the most frustrating thing overall is that, from my eyeballing of forums and twitter, many fans now see it. If we can see it, certainly the players should be able to correct? You would think so but here we sit with more cancellations on the horizon.
That's just this mans opinion though.
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