2014 - Canada Roster Discussion (Part III)
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10-22-2012, 10:18 AM
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Again, size matters a lot less on the international ice surface. You should be looking more at guys like Tavares (seriously - he's a lock for a scoring line role at this point), and Hall to add some speed to that lineup.
Keith vs. Phaneuf...hmmmmm....
I simply don't get your fascination with Phaneuf. Good NHLer, progressed quite a bit from his rookie year actually, but still isn't Olympic quality. He gives us nothing that Weber doesn't (which Weber does at a much higher level). Keith, Doughty, and Pietrangelo are better all-around defencemen - you have to admit that. Letang is our offensive guy, our PP QB, much like Boyle was in 2010. In Seabrook and Staal, you have excellent defensive defencemen that you can ask to PK, and play a regular shift on ES. Seabrook has chemistry with Keith, which helps, and loads of playoff experience with the Hawks. Staal is carving out a reputation as an elite shut-down defender, which we'll certainly need. Staal is a LHer too, which we're short of at the Olympic-caliber level. Neither guy has a history of poor decision-making like Phaneuf - they're safe, solid defencemen, the kind of guys you need to win a 7-game Olympic tournament. Phaneuf hasn't played a playoff game in years, and didn't excel at the WHCs this past spring, so he's not exactly building a strong case for himself.
By the way, I really don't think Phaneuf was seriously considered for 2010 either, with the insiders like MacKenzie talking about the last few spots at defense coming down to Doughty, Bouwmeester, and Robidas.
Your right, I left JT off because I forgot him lol. I think he makes the roster and I would love to see him and Crosby play with one another.
Your Phanuef to Weber argument is valid but your thinking as though Weber will be playing the entire game and wont need a rest. Weber brings everything Phanuef brings and more, but why not have a 2nd big man on your final 6-7 roster. Another big defensive minded player with a hard shot and hard hitting on the final pairing. Limited time, put him out there in the middle of periods so other guys can rest.
The same argument can be made for why is everyone wanting keith? Letang, AP and Doughty all do the same thing keith does lol. So why have another offensive d-man out there.
I see the dmen as follows
Those 5 guys are pretty much a lock come 2014. I think I rather have Dion Phanuef take that last spot. He was the 8th d-man for 2010. Yzerman has praised his play many times before but on a 2010 roster with Niedermeyer and Pronger, Dion had pretty much little chance. He has played for Canada on international size rinks many times before. In 2007 he won the gold, having 8 points in 7 matches.
If hes not the top 6, I think he makes the top 7 to go to Socchi.
And for those who are still bangin their head on my decision to have Heatly. Canada has always been about their dominance of size. They love having power forwards, and i know this is international size rink but lets not act like these players have never played on this size before. You act as though speed is the only importance. Imagine Heatly with more room to use his big body! I am not saying hes a lock but I am saying hell get a huge look at yzerman and babcock. On WC ice in 2009 he put up 10 points, 6 goals in 9 games. In the olympics for Canada he put up 7 points 4 goals for Canada.
Simply replacing Giroux, Stamkos, Taveras for Morrow, Iginla, Marlaue... and then replacing maybe Joe Thornton for Jordan Staal or Eberle or who have you. That in itself will be a huge speed change for Team Canada. But when you get rid of those 4 guys, you also hurt your size and physicality.
I think RNH will get a huge look come 2014 but i dont believe he will make the roster. There are far more experienced players.
I understand replace the size from 2010 for speed, but you cant ignore size either. The simple intimidation Canada brings with their players is a plus.
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