Luongo Thread - Waiting on the World to Change (Mod Warning in OP)
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10-27-2012, 12:22 AM
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Clearly you don't understand 'markets'. Comparing goalie trades - or any trade- to ones that happened pre-lockout (04/05) aren't comparable. They were different times. It was a different league. Not to mention it was 8+ yrs ago.
Once again, taking caps into the equation when they are ridiculously insignificant is a horrible way to bolster your argument.
The poster asked for recent trades of 'top' goalies, I provided 4 goalies of equivalent skill that happened within the last two decades or so. All of which received very modest returns.
Giguere is the only goalie who you say is 'elite' that was traded in last few yrs. Unfortunately, he was not elite at the time he was traded. He was 3 yrs removed from respectable #'s and told the media "I'd rather retire than be a backup". He would bring the equivalent value if the Oilers traded Khabilbulin today - which we all know is nothing.
Listen, the point isn't to find a carbon copy-identical case for Luongo, because that would be wholly impossible. The point was to show a general framework of the market for 'top goalies.' This can even be extended when you take out the requirement of being a 'top' goalie. For the last twenty years, goalies have not ever fetched high returns. Go ahead and look at the post-lockout if you actually feel like that is a legitimate variable, the results will be the same.
Hell, look at what Luongo has retrieved in the past: Parrish and Kvasha, and a damaged goods Bertuzzi and Allen. Not much of a return there either.
There is no chance that there will ever be a surplus of goalies on the market. Technically, there are only 2 goalie positions on each team. That is the smallest # of roster spots for any position in the league. So by #'s alone, it's not ever going to be possible. When you filter the # of high end goalies from the already small sample size - 'impossible' is my answer.
Haha, and you mock me for 'not understanding markets.'
The fact that there is only 2 goalie positions on each team is
why there is a surplus of goalies, which is directly correlated to why their value is so low. There are a plethora of goalies available in free agency that are cheap to sign, which drives the price of goalies down. There is also a plethora of goalies that are outside of the top 60 that are capable of being fit in starters.
This is the reason why you have a 24 year old goalie that performed Hasek-like in the playoffs get traded for only a top forward prospect. There are a number of options available to acquire a goalie for cheap that performs the same abilities ceteris paribus as the 'top goalies.' This is why you see random journeymen goaltenders lead teams to Stanley Cup Finals berths; and such a disparity year in and year out between SV%s, GAAs and Wins stats among goaltenders.
If high end goalies are traded frequently in the last few yrs, how come you can't provide a list of them? Waiting...... waiting.....
I never said they were traded frequently, that would be a strawman; which makes the rest of this proposition completely irrelevant.
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